[NTG-context] upload

[NTG-context] upload

[Hans Hagen]

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Hi,

There is a new lmtx upload.

-- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit, 
using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet 
all documented metapost) features.

-- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is 
documented in the (eg luametafun manual).

-- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by 
improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is 
still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and 
we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we 
also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).

-- Because we have users who have to conform to the European 
Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at 
Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and 
especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never 
were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither, 
especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are 
happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.

As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to 
choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get 
the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that 
we tested).

-- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there 
are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf 
and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are 
the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around 
it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features	, esp compared 
to playing with metapost).

-- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and 
otherwise.

-- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a 
change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).

Hans & Mikael

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% language=us

% todo: no comma

\usemodule[scite]
\usemodule[article-basic]
\usemodule[abbreviations-logos]
\usemodule[math-goodriddance]

\setuplayout[tight]

\starttext

\subject{Good riddance}

We're done with math. After years of active development, Mikael and Hans have
decided to quit working on math, and concentrate on \METAPOST\ and handing over
to the next generation instead. We lost our user to the way more popular
alternative (frozen in stone standards). Also, we had it with suboptimal math
fonts, Unicode math not getting improved, MathML constantly being changed,
browsers dealing with math differently every few years, math archives getting
polluted with tons of useless tagged math.

There are other motivations, like the European union imposing strict rules with
respect to accessibility in educational content management systems, and Dutch
schools trying to get rid of math in favor of simple calculus, if at all. This is
why the next iteration of the engine will no longer have a math engine:
MathLessTeX. Of course, in the beginning \MLTX\ will be compatible with \LMTX,
because we owe that to the users and we need to prototype the new engine anyway.

In order to get an idea of how we will get rid of the disturbing formulas, you
can load the module:

\starttyping
\usemodule[math-goodriddance]
\stoptyping

Until becoming the default setting, the command \typ {\goodriddancemath} will
bring you into \MLTX\ mode while \typ {\badriddancemath} will bring you back to
the obsolete \LMTX\ mode. Like:

\startbuffer
\usemodule[math-goodriddance] \goodriddancemath

Who wants to solve the equation \m {x + 1 = 4} or deal with the function \m {x \mapsto
\root [3] {x}}, when we have AI around the corner to help us out with simple and silly
things like the Pythagorean theorem: \m {a^2 + b^2 = c^2}, or even with more advanced
math like geometric series: \m {\sum_{k = 0}^{+\infty} x^k = 1/(1 - x)}?

We will not support complicated nonsense stuff like:

\startplaceformula
\startformula
    F__{1}____{2}(a,b;b;z) = (1 - z)^{-a}
\stopformula
\stopplaceformula

When developing this Hans' Swedish improved a lot. {\language[sv] Den lilla del av
befolkningen som handlar på IKEA och tittar på fåniga krimserier förstår kanske detta:
\im {\sqrt {x + 1} = \sin(4 + y)}!}
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[option=TEX]

Which gives us the beautifully typeset:

\startcolor[darkblue] \getbuffer \stopcolor

We hope that the highly respected Swedish Academy will consider our prose in
their upcoming evaluations. Our first submission to the leading \TEX\ journal was
however rejected. We are currently on a major revision in order to satisfy the
hopefully less critical \NTG\ Maps Editors. It is therefore our sincere hope that
you will be able to read more on this topic in the near future. Currently only
English and Swedish are supported. But our next research project, lead by two
young promising linguists, will hopefully result in support for more languages.
They will present preliminary results at the prestigious international BachoTeX
conference in May 2024.

\stoptext

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi,

On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 9:36 AM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> There is a new lmtx upload.
>
> -- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit,
> using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet
> all documented metapost) features.
>
> -- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is
> documented in the (eg luametafun manual).
>
> -- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by
> improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is
> still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and
> we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we
> also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).
>
> -- Because we have users who have to conform to the European
> Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at
> Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and
> especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never
> were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither,
> especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are
> happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.
>
> As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to
> choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get
> the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that
> we tested).
>
> -- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there
> are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf
> and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are
> the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around
> it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features , esp compared
> to playing with metapost).
>
> -- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and
> otherwise.
>
> -- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a
> change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).
>
> Hans & Mikael

In addition to what Hans wrote, I need to write and apologize. About
two years ago I was working on a big math project and needed SyncTeX
(code <-> okular) to work with it to get a smooth workflow. After
fighting it for several weeks, mailing Hans back and forth, without
any real support from Hans since "he was not using SyncTeX", I sent a
false patch to him that I claimed worked. It must have gotten in
without even being tested(!). Since then SyncTeX support for ConTeXt
has been broken.

Strengthened about how easy it was to add code to this project, and
still frustrated about the project (that is still not finished), I
started "collaborating" with Hans, mainly on math. During these years,
I have been baffled about how easy it has been to add malicious code,
he just swallows everything. I only needed to find out what Hans
really uses himself (a few tables, he likes colors, and he has a weak
point when it comes to "nice" metapost images), and then to add
patches for other stuff. For math, in particular, he seems to have no
understanding (sorry Hans). I am worried about the Dutch school
system.

Nevertheless, I have, during this time, more and more enjoyed our
discussions, and so I started to feel bad about my "patches", and
sorry for Hans. Thus, I have lately reverted, part by part, the bad
code. Only a few of them are left (but don't tell Hans!). I also got a
feeling that Wolfgang, checking all the code, since long did see this
through.

Thus, in the latest upload, for example, you might get SyncTeX working
again, but you might need to add \setupsynctex[state=repeat]. No
guarantees.

Again, my sincere apologies to all ConTeXters out there who have not
gotten the result they expect and deserve. I assume that Hans will
kick me out when the last patch is sent, so I will delay it as much as
possible...

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Hans and Mikael,

Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance ! 
Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, even if they are very shy to come out.

Moreover this command can be used by people who want to transform the output PDF into an audio file, because for instance the following 

\usemodule[math-goodriddance]
\goodriddancemath

\starttext

\startformula
\int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x = 2.
\stopformula

\stoptext

gives 
integral from 0 to 𝜋 , of sin of 𝑥 d 𝑥 equals 2 

as one can see in the attached output which is very useful for the blind using an audio software.

Best regards: OK





> On 1 Apr 2024, at 16:31, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There is a new lmtx upload.
> 
> -- The svg inclusion via metapost has been upgraded and cleanup a bit, using some more recent metapost features. There are some new (not yet all documented metapost) features.
> 
> -- In the process, support for LCH colors has been added, which is documented in the (eg luametafun manual).
> 
> -- The math manual is not yet there because we were distracted by improving support for envelopes (penbased outlines) in metafun. This is still work in progress, some is present and discussed in the manual, and we'll come back to that sometime next month. Given the next item, we also might need to change some in the manual (different focus).
> 
> -- Because we have users who have to conform to the European Accessibility Act we have been wondering how to deal with that and at Mikaels place there are two demands: distinctive colors and tagging and especially math (somehow validators love to check that). Colors never were an issue as they can be controlled, and tagging math neither, especially because nothing was/is done with it anyway, but ... we are happy that we found a reasonable (more modern and future proof) way out.
> 
> As explained / shown in the attached document we're basically forced to choose a different approach with math (a pity as we worked hard to get the rendering right but the attached file works fine in the viewers that we tested).
> 
> -- We like to hear from users what other demands wrt accessibility there are. We're not interested in the (commercial) big money aspects (of pdf and tagging) nor in the politics behind it (changes over time). What are the demands, so that we can see how to make it work or just work around it (as it's kind of boring to cook uyp complex features	, esp compared to playing with metapost).
> 
> -- Furthermore .. the usual bits and pieces as discussed on the list and otherwise.
> 
> -- If you have troubles (crash) you need to wipe the cache due to a change in lua bytecode storage (no easy way to catch it).
> 
> Hans & Mikael
> 
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>              Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands
>       tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 4/1/2024 11:34 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Hans and Mikael,
> 
> Thanks for the new module math-goodriddance !
> Indeed there are many mathematicians who are going to use the 
> \goodriddancemath command, and no doubt they are going to thank you, 
> even if they are very shy to come out.
> 
> Moreover this command can be used by people who want to transform the 
> output PDF into an audio file, because for instance the following
> 
> \usemodule[math-goodriddance]
> \goodriddancemath
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startformula
> \int_{0}^{\pi} \sin(x)\dd x = 2.
> \stopformula
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> gives
> 
> integral from 0 to 𝜋 , of sin of 𝑥 d 𝑥 equals 2

you cna be more ambituous:

\im { C \of (\openinterval{a,b}) \neq C^^2 \of (\interval{a,b}) \neq 
C^^2 \of \interval{0,1} \neq C\of(\Omega) \neq 𝒞 \of (\Omega)}

or

\dm {u\of(b)-u\of(a)=\lim_{n\to+\infty} \parenthesis{f(x__1)\Delta 
x__1+f(x__2)\Delta x__2+\ldots+f(x__n)\Delta x__n}}

so we can really get rid of a lot of math

> as one can see in the attached output which is very useful for the blind 
> using an audio software.
yes, although unfortunately unicode never bothered to add some handy 
stuff for that (while if did for other comparable things) but we'can get 
around that

I now assume that you are willing to come up with the french 
translations (that then can be validated by Alan).  Do we actually have 
serious german context math users, as I wouldn't trust Hraban and Thomas 
on doing this?

Hans


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 2/15/2024 10:02 AM, luigi scarso wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
>>
>> - i uploaded a new lmtx
>> - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
>>
>> - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
>> announced a while ago):
> 
> hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?
it's beta stuff but luametatex is an good test for it as it used a lot 
of lua so it's s way to pay back for using lua

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi,

The 5.5 seems to come from https://github.com/lua/lua/blob/master/lua.h

/Mikael

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 10:04 AM luigi scarso <luigi.scarso@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
> >
> > - i uploaded a new lmtx
> > - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
> >
> > - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
> > announced a while ago):
>
> hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?
>
> --
> luigi
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[luigi scarso]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 at 13:47, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> as we're around texlive code freeze time we're also in upload mode
>
> - i uploaded a new lmtx
> - i also added linux and windows 32 bin (as it seems to have users)
>
> - we're now using lua 5.5 which has one restriction (was already
> announced a while ago):

hm, I don't see lua 5.5 around ... perhaps Lua 5.4.5 ?

--
luigi
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi Thomas,

Thank you for your advice: I did add
	chmod +x install.sh
and now the script runs without MacOS complaining. 

However, since I had downloaded a new script yesterday and had updated to version 2024.01.23, I cannot check whether the issue was adding +x to the file install.sh.

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 22:06, Thomas A. Schmitz <thomas.schmitz@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Otared,
> 
> I just tried, and my Macbook ran the update without any problem. Does it make any difference if you chmod +x the script install.sh?
> 
> All best
> 
> Thomas
> 
> On 1/23/24 21:59, Otared Kavian wrote:
>> Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,
>> Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has
>> changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last
>> time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.
>> In any case I checked xattr with
>> 	which xattr
>> and got:
>> 	/usr/bin/xattr
>> Then I did
>> 	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine
>> /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
>> and got:
>> 	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr:
>> com.apple.quarantine
>> Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported
>> previously.
>> Best regards: Otared
> 
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thomas A. Schmitz]

Hi Otared,

I just tried, and my Macbook ran the update without any problem. Does it 
make any difference if you chmod +x the script install.sh?

All best

Thomas

On 1/23/24 21:59, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,
> 
> Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has
> changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last
> time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.
> 
> In any case I checked xattr with
> 	which xattr
> and got:
> 	/usr/bin/xattr
> 
> Then I did
> 	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine
> /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
> and got:
> 	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr:
> com.apple.quarantine
> 
> Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported
> previously.
> 
> Best regards: Otared


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Hi again,

I ended up downloading a new version of install.sh for MacOS from the Pragma site: using this allowed me to update to the latest version 2024-01-23:10H02.

Thanks for the help to all !

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 21:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
> In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
> I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?
> 
> yours sincerely
> dr. Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans,
>> 
>> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
>> 	sh install.sh
>> but obtained the following message and no update:
>> 
>> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
>> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
>> 
>> 
>> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
>> 
>> Best regards: Otared
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>>> 
>>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>>> 
>>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Dr Hans Van der Meer,

Thank you for your help. It seems that since January 18 something has changed (either on MacOS or on the install script), because the last time I could update without doing anything more than sh install.sh.

In any case I checked xattr with
	which xattr
and got:
	/usr/bin/xattr

Then I did 
	xattr -d com.apple.quarantine /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh
and got:
	xattr: /Applications/context-osx-arm64/install.sh: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine

Invoking again sh install.sh resulted in the error message I reported previously.

Best regards: Otared




> On 23 Jan 2024, at 21:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
> In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
> I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?
> 
> yours sincerely
> dr. Hans van der Meer
> 
> 
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Hans,
>> 
>> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
>> 	sh install.sh
>> but obtained the following message and no update:
>> 
>> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
>> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
>> 
>> 
>> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
>> 
>> Best regards: Otared
>> 
>>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>>> 
>>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>>> 
>>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>>> 
>>> Hans
>>> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans van der Meer via ntg-context]

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Just did 'sh install.sh' a moment ago without problems.
In the past I had to do xattr -d com.apple.quarantaine path-to-executable once but not anymore.
I think the xattr resides in the Apple command tools. Are you sure you have them?

yours sincerely
dr. Hans van der Meer



> On 23 Jan 2024, at 17:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Hans,
> 
> I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
> 	sh install.sh
> but obtained the following message and no update:
> 
> xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
> install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@
> 
> 
> Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.
> 
> Best regards: Otared
> 
>> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>> 
>> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
>> 
>> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
>> 
>> the current upload is as usual work in progress
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
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> 
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Bruce Horrocks]

On 23 Jan 2024, at 16:29, Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.

Both Intel and ARM macs updated perfectly for me, just now.

Regards,
—
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Hampshire, UK

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

Hi Hans,

I tried to update to your latest version (for MacOS Arm1) with the command 
	sh install.sh
but obtained the following message and no update:

xattr: bin/mtxrun: No such xattr: com.apple.quarantine
install.sh: line 110: 62611 Killed: 9               $PWD/bin/mtxrun --script ./bin/mtx-install.lua --update --server="$LMTXSERVER" --instance="$LMTXINSTANCE" --platform="$PLATFORM" --erase --extras="$LMTXEXTRAS" $@


Since I have a working (and backed up…) version 2024-01-18, there is no absolute necessity for me to update right now, but I wanted just to inform you about the issue I encountered. I wonder whether other MacOS users have had such a problem.

Best regards: Otared

> On 23 Jan 2024, at 10:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
>> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
> 
> i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once all users are on 64 bit ...)
> 
> the current upload is as usual work in progress
> 
> Hans
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.

i uploaded a win32 installer (for now we only keep 32 bit win but once 
all users are on 64 bit ...)

the current upload is as usual work in progress

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi Hans,

Le 20-01-24 à 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context a écrit :
> On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>>> [...]
>>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 
>>>> Not Found
>>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>>> Works here.
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I get a 404 error for both 
>> https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>>
>> I can update my existing installed version, but I 
>> wouldn’t be able to
>> install a brand new distribution.
>>
>> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
> can you try again
>

I tried and passed the first step: I can go to the 
"Installation" page, but then again "Error 404" when I click 
on the "64 bit Microsoft Windows" link. Then I also tried 
"https://lmtx.pragma-ade.nl/install-llmtx/context-win64.zip" 
and I got the file!

Thanks,

Alain


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 1/20/24 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
>> [...]
>> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>> [...]
> can you try again?

Many thanks for the fast fix, Hans.

Pablo

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/20/2024 10:32 AM, Ursula Hermann wrote:
> 32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.

32 bit windows has been dropped for now, i could generate native win32 
bins but they are less performing that mingw crosscompiled but all this 
is more manual work than using the garden build

I might add it when the garden build is up and running which might 
happen one of these days.

So, how many 32 bit bin users are out there? And for how long? Any linux 
32 users?

Hans




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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Ursula Hermann]

32 bits Windows download does not work, because 404 report.
Uschi 
________________________________
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Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Jänner 2024 09:58:15
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
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On 20/01/2024 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> can you try again

it made a difference, no 404 ;-)
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[vm via ntg-context]

On 20/01/2024 09:38, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
> can you try again

it made a difference, no 404 ;-)
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 1/19/2024 6:34 PM, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context wrote:
> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>> [...]
>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>> Works here.
> 
> Hi Denis,
> 
> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
> 
> I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
> install a brand new distribution.
> 
> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
can you try again

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi Otared,

Le 19-01-24 à 22:56, Otared Kavian a écrit :
> Hi Pablo,
>
> Indeed the two URL you mention result t a 404 error. I 
> guess the correct URL is
> https://www.pragma-ade.nl
>
> and there one may go to the appropriate tab.
>
> Best regards: Otared

No it doesn't work. I ttried many times.

Alain


>
>> On 19 Jan 2024, at 18:34, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context 
>> <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
>>
>> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>>> [...]
>>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 
>>>> Not Found
>>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>>> Works here.
>>
>> Hi Denis,
>>
>> I get a 404 error for both 
>> https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
>> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
>>
>> I can update my existing installed version, but I 
>> wouldn’t be able to
>> install a brand new distribution.
>>
>> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
>>
>> Many thanks for your help,
>>
>> Pablo
>>
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

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Hi Pablo,

Indeed the two URL you mention result t a 404 error. I guess the correct URL is
 https://www.pragma-ade.nl <https://www.pragma-ade.nl/>

and there one may go to the appropriate tab.

Best regards: Otared

> On 19 Jan 2024, at 18:34, Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>>> [...]
>>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
>>> Works here.
> 
> Hi Denis,
> 
> I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
> https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.
> 
> I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
> install a brand new distribution.
> 
> Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?
> 
> Many thanks for your help,
> 
> Pablo
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context]

On 1/18/24 20:43, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
>> *Von:*Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
>> *An:* ntg-context@ntg.nl
>> *Betreff:* [NTG-context] Re: upload
>> [...]
>> When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl, I get an 404 Not Found
>> message, so I can't download the new upload !!
> > Works here.

Hi Denis,

I get a 404 error for both https://www.pragma-ade.nl/install.htm and
https://www.pragma-ade.com/install.htm.

I can update my existing installed version, but I wouldn’t be able to
install a brand new distribution.

Do you reach any of the urls included in my first paragraph?

Many thanks for your help,

Pablo

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[Denis Maier via ntg-context]

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Works here.

Best,

Denis

 

Von: Alain Delmotte <alain.delmotte@leliseron.org> 
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Januar 2024 20:04
An: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Betreff: [NTG-context] Re: upload

 

Hi,

When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl/ I get an 404 Not Found message, so I can't download the new upload !!

Any reason?

Alain

Le 18-01-24 à 00:13, Hans Hagen a écrit :

Hi, 

I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress but it probably doesn't affect anyone). 

Hans 


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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Alain Delmotte]

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Hi,

When I go to https://www.pragma-ade.nl/ I get an 404 Not 
Found message, so I can't download the new upload !!

Any reason?

Alain

Le 18-01-24 à 00:13, Hans Hagen a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress 
> but it probably doesn't affect anyone).
>
> Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 1/18/2024 3:27 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:
> Dear Dalyoung, dear Mikael,
> 
> I installed anew the whole LMTX tree and now everything is working fine.
> I don’t know whether this is related or not, somehow in my previous tree 
> I had a directory (or folder in the MacOS language) named « texmf-osx-64 
> » instead « texmf-osx-arm64 » and this apparently had consequences.
> 
> In any case everything works fine now.
> 
> Thanks to Hans, Mikael and all the people on this list!
concerning the prime, use

   $x\prime$ and not $x^\prime$ as you might want $x^2\prime$ some day

in the first case it's really a prime, in the second case a prime symbol 
in a superscript; in lmtx we have for each nucleus a presubscript, 
presuperscript, subscript, superscript and primescript (plus index ones)

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Otared Kavian]

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Dear Dalyoung, dear Mikael,

I installed anew the whole LMTX tree and now everything is working fine. 
I don’t know whether this is related or not, somehow in my previous tree I had a directory (or folder in the MacOS language) named « texmf-osx-64 » instead « texmf-osx-arm64 » and this apparently had consequences.

In any case everything works fine now.

Thanks to Hans, Mikael and all the people on this list!

Best regards: Otared

> On 18 Jan 2024, at 08:17, Jeong Dal via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:
> 
> Dear Otared,
> 
> I installed upload version today.
> And, your example,
> 
> \starttext
> The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
> \stoptext
> 
> works well.
> 
> I think that you will have the same good result.
> 
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> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Jeong Dal via ntg-context]

Dear Otared,

I installed upload version today.
And, your example,

\starttext
The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
\stoptext

works well.

I think that you will have the same good result.

Best wishes,

Dalyoung

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Mikael Sundqvist]

Hi Otared,

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 2:37 AM Otared Kavian <otared@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Hans,
>
> Thanks for the new upload which solves the math alignment mechanism. However I noticed that the classic notation $f’$ for the derivative does not work anymore, while $f^\prime$ or $f^’$ does.
>
> \starttext
> The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
> \stoptext
>
> Best regards: Otared

There has been work in the last days on multiple sub/superscripts
and/or primes. But again your example works here. Just to be sure, did
you upgrade both the zip and the binary?

/Mikael
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

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Hi Hans,

Thanks for the new upload which solves the math alignment mechanism. However I noticed that the classic notation $f’$ for the derivative does not work anymore, while $f^\prime$ or $f^’$ does.

\starttext
The derivative of $f$ is denoted $f'$ or $f^\prime$ or is it $f^'$\dots
\stoptext

Best regards: Otared



> On 18 Jan 2024, at 00:13, Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I uploaded a new version (there is some work in progress but it probably doesn't affect anyone).
> 
> Hans
> 
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thangalin]

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That works Hans, thank you.

line 802 in core-env should be:
>
> \permanent\tolerant\protected\def\setupenv
>    {\syst_variables_set\getrawparameters[\s!environment]}
>
> (seems i forgot that one when doing some cleanup)
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/11/2023 3:31 AM, Thangalin wrote:
> Did arguments regress in 2023.08.10 02:59?
> 
> $ cat u.tex
> \starttext
> Feisty arguments
> \stoptext
> $ context u.tex
> $  ls -la *.pdf
> -rw-r--r-- 1 username username 6279 Aug 10 18:28 u.pdf
> $ context --arguments=x=y u.tex | grep error
> tex error       > tex error on line 13 in file : Use of \getrawparameters
> doesn't match its definition
> mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1
> 
> This was working with the previous release.
line 802 in core-env should be:

\permanent\tolerant\protected\def\setupenv
   {\syst_variables_set\getrawparameters[\s!environment]}

(seems i forgot that one when doing some cleanup)

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Thangalin]

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Did arguments regress in 2023.08.10 02:59?

$ cat u.tex
\starttext
Feisty arguments
\stoptext
$ context u.tex
$  ls -la *.pdf
-rw-r--r-- 1 username username 6279 Aug 10 18:28 u.pdf
$ context --arguments=x=y u.tex | grep error
tex error       > tex error on line 13 in file : Use of \getrawparameters
doesn't match its definition
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

This was working with the previous release.

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023 at 8:43 AM Hans Hagen <j.hagen@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be revealed
> in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>
> \starttext
>
>      \defineoverlay
>        [test]
>        [\color
>           [blue]
>           {TEST
>            \inframed
>              [foregroundcolor=red]
>              {xxx}
>            TEST}]
>
>      \framed
>        [background=test,
>         foregroundstyle=\switchtobodyfont[small]]
>        {test}
>
> \stoptext
>
>  From now on many commands accept (properly) nested [] inside commands
> that use [] as fences (like the setup commands) where it makes sense. It
> is up to the user to decide to use {} (as before) or not but it is less
> error prone.
>
> It is now also possible to nest setups as in
>
> \starttext
>
> \startsetups one
>      \startsetups [three]
>          HERE
>      \stopsetups
> \stopsetups
>
> \startsetups two
>      \startsetups [three]
>          THERE
>      \stopsetups
> \stopsetups
>
> \setups[one] \setups[three]
>
> \setups[two] \setups[three]
>
> \stoptext
>
> As part of the ongoing improvements on math rendering we added some
> classic lm/cm kerns (between upperacse and periods / commas) in the
> goodie files.
>
> Some lowlevel manuals have been extended, explaining experimental 'named
> cross macro nesting parameter referencing' and 'constrained cq. retained
> assignments', but that is only relevant for those interested in
> overcoming some limitations in the traditional engines.
>
> Hans
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 10.08.23 um 17:02 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:
>> indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but 
>> didn't push it, can you check again?
> 
> It works now as expected.

Confirmed.
Thank you!

Hraban

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Hans Hagen via ntg-context schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 16:41:
> On 8/10/2023 3:52 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
>>> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>>>
>>> """
>>> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>>>
>>> \starttext
>>>
>>> \about[something]
>>>
>>> \stoptext
>>> """
>>
>> It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
>> doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as 
>> value when I wrote "b=".
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]
>>
>> \dummyparameter{a}
>> \dummyparameter{b}
>>
>> % b is still \endgroup
>>
>> \getdummyparameters[a=,b=]
>>
>> \dummyparameter{a}
>> \dummyparameter{b}
>>
>> \stoptext
> indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but 
> didn't push it, can you check again?

It works now as expected.

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen via ntg-context]

On 8/10/2023 3:52 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
>> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>>
>> """
>> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>> \about[something]
>>
>> \stoptext
>> """
> 
> It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
> doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as value 
> when I wrote "b=".
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]
> 
> \dummyparameter{a}
> \dummyparameter{b}
> 
> % b is still \endgroup
> 
> \getdummyparameters[a=,b=]
> 
> \dummyparameter{a}
> \dummyparameter{b}
> 
> \stoptext
indeed that was the issue, seems like i generated the update but didn't 
push it, can you check again?

Hans

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Wolfgang Schuster]

Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 10.08.2023 um 15:33:
> I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:
>
> """
> \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
>
> \starttext
>
> \about[something]
>
> \stoptext
> """

It's unrelated to \about. Using nothing as argument to the last key 
doesn't work, e.g. in the following example "b" keeps \endgroup as value 
when I wrote "b=".

\starttext

\getdummyparameters[a=\begingroup,b=\endgroup]

\dummyparameter{a}
\dummyparameter{b}

% b is still \endgroup

\getdummyparameters[a=,b=]

\dummyparameter{a}
\dummyparameter{b}

\stoptext

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 10.08.23 um 15:03 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8/10/2023 2:57 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
>> Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>>> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>>>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
>>>
>>> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow
>>
>> I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives 
>> a parsing error at
>> \quotation{\about[kap:example]}
>>
>> (2023.07.29 still works.)
> there was a new upload

I was already on the latest, and the problem persists. Here’s a MWE:

"""
\setupreferencing[left=,right=,]

\starttext

\about[something]

\stoptext
"""

tex error       > tex error on line 5 in file referencetest.tex: Extra 
}, or forgotten \endgroup

<macro>
     \egroup
<macro> \about
     ...ways \let \\\space \postponenotes \referencingparameter \c!left 
\doifelsereferencefound {#1} {\goto {\limitatetext 
\currentreferencetitle {\referencingparameter \c!width }\unknown 
}[#1]}{}\flushnotes \referencingparameter \c!right
     \endgroup
<line 3.5>
     \about[something]

1     \setupreferencing[left=,right=,]
2
3     \starttext
4
5 >>  \about[something]
6
7     \stoptext
8
I've deleted a group-closing symbol because it seems to be spurious, as in
'$x}$'. But perhaps the } is legitimate and you forgot something else, as in
'\hbox{$x}'.
mtx-context     | fatal error: return code: 1

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/10/2023 2:57 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
> Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
>> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
>>
>> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow
> 
> I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives a 
> parsing error at
> \quotation{\about[kap:example]}
> 
> (2023.07.29 still works.)
there was a new upload

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Henning Hraban Ramm]

Am 09.08.23 um 23:11 schrieb Hans Hagen:
> On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
>> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no 
>> longer works. Second, table captions are not displayed.
> 
> indeed, probably a fix tomorrow

I don’t know if that’s the same problem, but the current version gives a 
parsing error at
\quotation{\about[kap:example]}

(2023.07.29 still works.)

Hraban
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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Hans Hagen]

On 8/9/2023 9:29 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:
> 
> On 8/9/2023 11:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be 
>> revealed in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>>
>>
> Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no longer 
> works. Second, table captions are not displayed.

indeed, probably a fix tomorrow

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[NTG-context] Re: upload

[Rik Kabel]

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On 8/9/2023 11:42 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I uploaded a new lmtx. There are some new features that wil be 
> revealed in the future (likely after the meeting) but here is one:
>
>
Two problems with this upload. First, page number suppression no longer 
works. Second, table captions are not displayed.


    \setuppagenumbering [alternative=doublesided,location=]

    \setupcaption[style=sans,headstyle=sans]

    \starttext
    \startchapter[title={Page Numbering Test}]

    \startplacetable[location={here,spit,force},title={Title?}]
    \starttabulate[|rp|lp|]
    \HL \NC tufte \NC \input tufte \NC \AR
         \NC ward \NC \input ward \NC \AR
         \NC montgomery \NC \input montgomery \NC \AR \HL
    \stoptabulate
    \stopplacetable

    \dorecurse{7}{ \input tufte \par}

    \stopchapter
    \stoptext

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