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From: pechter@gmail.com (William Pechter)
Subject: [TUHS] /dev/drum
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:16:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11795ca0-54f0-9e50-35e7-1df1cec3f017@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180420164550.78CFC18C088@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

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Noel Chiappa wrote:
>     > From: Warner Losh
>
>     > Drum memory stopped being a new thing in the early 70's.
>
> Mid 60's. Fixed-head disks replaced them - same basic concept, same amount of
> bits, less physical volume. Those lasted until the late 70's - early PDP-11
> Unixes have drivers for the RF11 and RS0x fixed-head disks.
>
> The 'fire-hose' drum on the GE 645 Multics was the last one I've heard
> of. Amusing story about it here:
>
>   http://www.multicians.org/low-bottle-pressure.html
>
> Although reading it, it may not have been (physically) a drum.
>
>     > There never was a drum device, at least a commercial, non-lab
>     > experiment, for the VAXen. They all swapped to spinning disks by then.
>
> s/spinning/non-fixed-head/.
>
> 	Noe
Just a note... back in my old DEC days I went around and installed a
thing called the ML11-A (IIRC).
It was a Massbus box of MK11/MS750 memory arrays interfaced to a disk
emulation controller.

Plug it on your Massbus, format the memory with the disk formatter and
you have something like
an RS04 swap device made out of memory with no rotation delay.  Consider
it an early SSD.

It used plain old PDP/VAX memory (and could format and bad block out ECC
errors so the memory
didn't have to be perfect) and was software compatible (I think) with
the RS04...

I installed one at the AT&T/NY Bell site next door to the World Trade
Center back in 84-85 or so.

I wonder if it was still running on 9/11.  Word was Unix really was
improved on the 11/70 boxes without a huge investment on new gear. 
Quick swap was a big help on heavily loaded boxes.

Loved seeing the diag run tests and light the fault light on the box of
memory.  Also had a write protect like every good drive should.



Bill

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-20 17:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-20 16:45 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-20 16:53 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-20 17:16 ` William Pechter [this message]
2018-04-20 23:35   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 11:48     ` Steve Simon
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2018-05-08 22:39 ` Johnny Billquist
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2018-05-07 15:36 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-06 13:07 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-06 15:57 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-05 13:06 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-05 20:53 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03 11:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-03 21:22 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-30 15:05 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-30 16:43 ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-30 21:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03  2:54 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-28 20:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-29 15:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-29 16:34   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-29 16:48     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-28  0:19 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-28 10:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-28 12:19   ` Rico Pajarola
2018-04-27 23:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-27 23:10 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:39   ` Warner Losh
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2018-04-27 22:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  1:53 Noel Chiappa
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2018-04-25 23:08 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:55 Noel Chiappa
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2018-04-25 22:54 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:46 Noel Chiappa
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2018-04-25 21:43 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:24 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  5:51   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 22:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-24  7:10 Rudi Blom
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2018-04-23 23:44 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-23 23:57   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-24  0:24   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-24  0:25   ` Warren Toomey
2018-04-24  0:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  1:02   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-04-24  4:32   ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  4:49     ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24  4:59       ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:22         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24 14:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:46   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-23 22:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 22:09 ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 18:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 19:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:01 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-23 23:49   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  0:26   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-22 18:06 Norman Wilson
2018-04-20 15:02 Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-20 15:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:00 ` David Collantes
2018-04-20 16:12   ` Dan Cross
2018-04-20 16:21     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:33     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-20 19:17       ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-20 20:23         ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 17:01     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-22 17:37       ` Clem Cole
2018-04-22 19:14         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-22 20:58         ` Mutiny
2018-04-22 22:37           ` Clem cole
2018-04-22 21:51         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-25  1:27           ` Dan Stromberg
2018-04-25 12:18             ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-25 13:39               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` arnold
2018-04-25 14:59                   ` tfb
2018-04-25 14:33               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-25 14:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 15:03                   ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 20:29               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 20:45                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 21:14                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-04-25 21:30                     ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 23:01                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-23 16:42         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 17:30           ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-23 17:51             ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 18:30               ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 14:38                   ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 20:47               ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-23 21:06                 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 21:14                   ` Dan Mick
2018-04-23 21:27                     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 22:07                 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 22:15                   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 23:30                     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  9:37                       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-04-24  9:57                         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24 13:01                           ` Nemo
2018-04-24 13:03                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-23 23:45                   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-24  8:05                     ` tfb

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