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From: bqt@update.uu.se (Johnny Billquist)
Subject: [TUHS] /dev/drum
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 01:44:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a5e49bb-f235-4b87-445b-1532d8facd2f@update.uu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.125.1524526228.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>

On 2018-04-24 01:30, Grant Taylor <gtaylor at tnetconsulting.net> wrote:

> On 04/23/2018 04:15 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>> It's weird. These days lower LBAs perform better on spinning drives.
>> We're seeing about 1.5x better performance on the first 30% of a drive
>> than on the last 30%, at least for read speeds for video streaming....
> I think manufacturers have switched things around on us.  I'm used to
> higher LBA numbers being on the outside of the disk.  But I've seen
> anecdotal indicators that the opposite is now true.

That must have been somewhere in the middle of history in that case. Old 
(proper) drives had/have track 0 at the outer edge. The disk loaded the 
heads after spin up, and that was at the outer edge, and then you just 
locked on to track 0, which should be near.
Heads had to be retracted for the disk pack to be replaced.

But this whole optimization for swap based on transfer speeds makes no 
sense to me. The dominating factor in spinning rust is seek times, and 
not transfer speed. If you place the swap at one end of the disk, it 
won't matter much that transfers will be faster, as seek times will on 
average be much longer, and that will eat up any transfer gain ten times 
over before even thinking. (Unless all your disk ever does is swapping, 
at which time the heads can stay around the swapping area all the time.)

Which is also why the file system for RSX (ODS-1) placed the index file 
(equivalent of the inode table) at the middle of the disk by default.

Not sure if Unix did that optimization, but I would hope so. (Never dug 
into that part of the code.)

   Johnny

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
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       reply	other threads:[~2018-04-23 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.125.1524526228.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-23 23:44 ` Johnny Billquist [this message]
2018-04-23 23:57   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-24  0:24   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-24  0:25   ` Warren Toomey
2018-04-24  0:27     ` [TUHS] i-nodes in middle of disk Warren Toomey
2018-04-24 10:19       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  0:31     ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  1:02   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-04-24  4:32   ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  4:49     ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24  4:59       ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:22         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24 14:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:46   ` Lars Brinkhoff
     [not found] <mailman.1.1525744802.16322.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-05-08 22:39 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-07 15:36 Noel Chiappa
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2018-05-06 13:07 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-06 15:57 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-05 13:06 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-05 20:53 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03 11:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-03 21:22 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-30 15:05 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-30 16:43 ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-30 21:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03  2:54 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-28 20:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-29 15:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-29 16:34   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-29 16:48     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-28  0:19 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-28 10:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-28 12:19   ` Rico Pajarola
2018-04-27 23:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-27 23:10 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:39   ` Warner Losh
     [not found] <mailman.1.1524708001.6296.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-27 22:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  1:53 Noel Chiappa
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2018-04-25 23:08 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:55 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.139.1524690859.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 22:54 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:46 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.137.1524667148.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 21:43 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:24 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  5:51   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 22:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-24  7:10 Rudi Blom
2018-04-23 22:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 22:09 ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 18:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 19:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:01 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-23 23:49   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  0:26   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-22 18:06 Norman Wilson
2018-04-20 16:45 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-20 16:53 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-20 17:16 ` William Pechter
2018-04-20 23:35   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 11:48     ` Steve Simon
2018-04-20 15:02 Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-20 15:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:00 ` David Collantes
2018-04-20 16:12   ` Dan Cross
2018-04-20 16:21     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:33     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-20 19:17       ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-20 20:23         ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 17:01     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-22 17:37       ` Clem Cole
2018-04-22 19:14         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-22 20:58         ` Mutiny
2018-04-22 22:37           ` Clem cole
2018-04-22 21:51         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-25  1:27           ` Dan Stromberg
2018-04-25 12:18             ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-25 13:39               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` arnold
2018-04-25 14:59                   ` tfb
2018-04-25 14:33               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-25 14:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 15:03                   ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 20:29               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 20:45                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 21:14                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-04-25 21:30                     ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 23:01                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-23 16:42         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 17:30           ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-23 17:51             ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 18:30               ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 14:38                   ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 20:47               ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-23 21:06                 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 21:14                   ` Dan Mick
2018-04-23 21:27                     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 22:07                 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 22:15                   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-23 23:30                     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  9:37                       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-04-24  9:57                         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24 13:01                           ` Nemo
2018-04-24 13:03                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-23 23:45                   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-24  8:05                     ` tfb

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