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From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: [TUHS] /dev/drum
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:15:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfqnUzeegesen6bcUD8BXBoCStydZakOWEP8BdiCQ3wHdg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E069E9E4-5217-4233-8CFC-7A9D2B70BC3F@tfeb.org>

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Tim Bradshaw <tfb at tfeb.org> wrote:

> On 23 Apr 2018, at 21:47, Grant Taylor via TUHS <tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org>
> wrote:
> > I had always wondered where Solaris (SunOS) got it's use of the
> different slices, including the slice that was the entire disk from.
> >
> > Now I'm guessing Solaris got it from SunOS which got it from 4.x BSD.
> >
>
>
> There is a wonderful Sun cretinism about this. At some recent time (I am
> not sure how recent but probably mid 2000s), someone worked out that you
> wanted swap to be at one end of the disk (I think the outside) because on
> modern disks the data rate changes across the disk and you wanted it at the
> end with the highest data rate.  But lots of things knew that swap was on
> s1, the second partition.  So they changed the default installation tool so
> the slices of the disk were out of order: s1 was the first, s0 the second,
> s2 was the whole disk (which it already was) and so on.  This was
> enormously entertaining in a bad way if you made the normal assumption that
> the slices were in order.  There was also (either then or before) some
> magic needed such that swapping never touched the first n blocks of the
> disk where the label and boot blocks were, and it was possible to get this
> wrong so the machine would happily boot, run but would then fail to boot
> again, usually at a most inconvenient time.
>
> And the cretinism was that this was mid 2000s:  if you had machine that
> was paging the answer was to buy more memory not to arrange for faster swap
> space: it was solving a problem that nobody had any more.
>

It's weird. These days lower LBAs perform better on spinning drives. We're
seeing about 1.5x better performance on the first 30% of a drive than on
the last 30%, at least for read speeds for video streaming....

Warner
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Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-20 15:02 Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-20 15:58 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:00 ` David Collantes
2018-04-20 16:12   ` Dan Cross
2018-04-20 16:21     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 16:33     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-20 19:17       ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-20 20:23         ` Clem Cole
2018-04-20 22:10         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 17:01     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-22 17:37       ` Clem Cole
2018-04-22 19:14         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-22 20:58         ` Mutiny
2018-04-22 22:37           ` Clem cole
2018-04-22 21:51         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-25  1:27           ` Dan Stromberg
2018-04-25 12:18             ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-25 13:39               ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` arnold
2018-04-25 14:59                   ` tfb
2018-04-25 14:33               ` Ian Zimmerman
2018-04-25 14:46                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 15:03                   ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 20:29               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 20:45                 ` Larry McVoy
2018-04-25 21:14                   ` Lawrence Stewart
2018-04-25 21:30                     ` ron minnich
2018-04-25 23:01                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-23 16:42         ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 17:30           ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-23 17:51             ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 18:30               ` Ron Natalie
2018-04-25 14:02                 ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 14:38                   ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 20:47               ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-23 21:06                 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 21:14                   ` Dan Mick
2018-04-23 21:27                     ` Clem Cole
2018-04-24  3:28                       ` [TUHS] 3330s, 3340s, Winchesters... (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-24 11:43                         ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-24 13:13                           ` Clem Cole
2018-04-25  0:52                             ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25 20:54                               ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-23 22:07                 ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Tim Bradshaw
2018-04-23 22:15                   ` Warner Losh [this message]
2018-04-23 23:30                     ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  9:37                       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-04-24  9:57                         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24 13:01                           ` Nemo
2018-04-24 13:03                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-04-25  1:31                       ` [TUHS] Disk data layout (was: /dev/drum) Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-04-25  6:43                         ` Hellwig Geisse
2018-04-25 21:17                         ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-25 21:55                           ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-27 15:47                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-27 18:16                             ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-27 18:37                               ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:45                   ` [TUHS] /dev/drum Arthur Krewat
2018-04-24  8:05                     ` tfb
2018-04-20 16:45 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-20 16:53 ` Charles Anthony
2018-04-20 17:16 ` William Pechter
2018-04-20 23:35   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-22 11:48     ` Steve Simon
2018-04-22 18:06 Norman Wilson
2018-04-23 18:41 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 19:09 ` Clem Cole
2018-04-23 23:01 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-23 23:49   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  0:26   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-23 22:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-23 22:09 ` Warner Losh
     [not found] <mailman.125.1524526228.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-23 23:44 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-23 23:57   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-24  0:24   ` Ronald Natalie
2018-04-24  0:25   ` Warren Toomey
2018-04-24  0:31     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-04-24  1:02   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-04-24  4:32   ` Grant Taylor
2018-04-24  4:49     ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24  4:59       ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:22         ` Bakul Shah
2018-04-24 14:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-04-24  6:46   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-04-24  7:10 Rudi Blom
     [not found] <mailman.137.1524667148.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 21:43 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:24 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  5:51   ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-04-25 22:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:46 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.139.1524690859.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 22:54 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-25 22:55 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.143.1524696952.3788.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-25 23:08 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-26  1:53 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1524708001.6296.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-04-27 22:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:01 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-27 23:10 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-27 23:39   ` Warner Losh
2018-04-28  0:19 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-28 10:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-28 12:19   ` Rico Pajarola
2018-04-28 20:40 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-29 15:37 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-04-29 16:34   ` Steve Nickolas
2018-04-29 16:48     ` Warner Losh
2018-04-30 15:05 Noel Chiappa
2018-04-30 16:43 ` Paul Winalski
2018-04-30 21:41 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-03  2:54 ` Charles Anthony
2018-05-03 11:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-03 21:22 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-05 13:06 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-05 20:53 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-06 13:07 Noel Chiappa
2018-05-06 15:57 ` Johnny Billquist
2018-05-07 15:36 Noel Chiappa
     [not found] <mailman.1.1525744802.16322.tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
2018-05-08 22:39 ` Johnny Billquist

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