From: Bakul Shah <bakul@bitblocks.com>
To: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] screen editors
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 12:47:19 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200107204726.B0F91156E42E@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:57:40 -0500." <202001071957.007JveQu169574@coolidge.cs.dartmouth.edu>
On Tue, 07 Jan 2020 14:57:40 -0500 Doug McIlroy <doug@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> McIlroy:
> > [vi] was so excesssive right from the start that I refused to use it.
> > Sam was the first screen editor that I deemed worthwhile, and I
> > still use it today.
>
> Paulsen:
> > my sam build is more than 2 times bigger than Gunnar Ritter's vi
> > (or Steve Kirkendall's elvis) and even bigger than Bram Moolenaar's vim.
>
> % wc -c /bin/vi bin/sam bin/samterm
> 1706152 /bin/vi
> 112208 bin/sam
> 153624 bin/samterm
> These mumbers are from Red Hat Linux.
> The 6:1 discrepancy is understated because
> vi is stripped and the sam files are not.
> All are 64-bit, dynamically linked.
A source code comparison
$ cd 2bsd/src/ex # this is a snapshot of May 9, 1979
$ wc *.c | tail -1
17176 56138 331865 total
$ cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/ # what works today
$ wc {sam,samterm}/*.[hc] | tail -1
11366 27236 201666 total
$ cd /usr/src/contrib/nvi # what works today
$ wc */*.[ch] | tail -1
51978 202926 1297043 total # actual count is slightly smaller
I use nvi or acme. Haven't touched sam in ages. Having taught
my fingertips nvi 37 years back, I can edit the fastest in it.
But some things are easier in acme + with its multiple panes
and smaller antialiased fonts it makes much better use of a
retina display. iterm/screen + nvi can't match that.
Until about 95 I used nvi & the Rand Editor (later Dave Yost's
version). The latter was the easiest to use + it did multiple
editing windows much before nvi or vim.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-01-07 20:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-01-07 19:57 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07 20:17 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07 20:47 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
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2020-01-26 20:32 [TUHS] Screen editors Paul Ruizendaal
2020-01-26 23:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
[not found] <20200120155946.169b39e0.ref@sagittariusa.cnb.csic.es>
2020-01-20 14:59 ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-20 16:07 ` Toby Thain
2020-01-20 16:20 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-31 18:21 ` Jose R. Valverde via TUHS
2020-01-29 22:24 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-29 22:33 ` Larry McVoy
2020-02-07 23:05 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-07 23:54 ` Richard Salz
2020-02-08 3:11 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-02-08 3:38 ` Ronald Natalie
2020-02-08 0:05 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-29 23:00 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-26 18:28 ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:33 ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 18:36 ` arnold
2020-01-26 18:40 ` arnold
2020-01-26 19:11 ` Adam Thornton
2020-01-26 19:40 ` Jon Forrest
2020-01-26 20:08 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09 21:46 [TUHS] screen editors Norman Wilson
2020-01-09 22:10 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-08 9:46 Rudi Blom
2020-01-08 14:15 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-08 15:15 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 15:42 ` Steve Mynott
[not found] ` <68b3d6df-94f6-625d-39bf-6149b4c177c9@andrewnesbit.org>
2020-01-08 20:56 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-08 23:21 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09 0:08 ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09 1:28 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 1:40 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09 2:04 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 2:07 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 2:12 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 2:59 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09 3:08 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 3:43 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09 3:27 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09 3:34 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 3:49 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09 3:55 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-09 5:27 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-09 4:23 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 15:54 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-09 17:21 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 17:30 ` Warner Losh
2020-01-09 17:56 ` Bakul Shah
2020-01-18 2:11 ` Michael Parson
2020-01-09 18:53 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-09 19:01 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-09 19:02 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 19:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2020-01-09 20:20 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-18 2:06 ` Michael Parson
2020-01-18 3:13 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-18 3:44 ` Kurt H Maier
2020-01-18 15:37 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-18 22:11 ` markus schnalke
2020-01-09 2:14 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2020-01-09 2:48 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-09 9:05 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:11 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 15:37 ` Henry Bent
2020-01-18 14:22 ` Michael Parson
2020-01-08 7:39 Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-08 15:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-08 23:41 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-09 1:43 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-08 21:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 22:01 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-17 23:38 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-18 0:07 ` Ryan Casalino
2020-01-18 23:02 ` greg travis
2020-01-10 8:13 ` markus schnalke
2020-01-10 8:17 ` U'll Be King of the Stars
2020-01-11 19:58 ` markus schnalke
2020-01-11 20:54 ` Derek Fawcus
2020-01-11 21:27 ` Henry Bent
2020-02-04 8:40 ` Sijmen J. Mulder
2020-01-10 15:31 ` Nemo Nusquam
2020-01-10 16:04 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-10 17:10 ` Dan Cross
2020-01-10 17:18 ` Steve Nickolas
2020-01-18 1:55 ` Michael Parson
2020-01-10 15:58 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2020-01-07 2:31 Doug McIlroy
2020-01-07 2:37 ` Brantley Coile
2020-01-07 2:38 ` Larry McVoy
2020-01-07 16:30 ` arnold
2020-01-07 16:38 ` Richard Salz
2020-01-07 18:32 ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:14 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09 5:01 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2020-01-10 8:16 ` ricercar
2020-01-08 0:10 ` Jon Steinhart
2020-01-17 22:06 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 18:30 ` Mary Ann Horton
2020-01-08 21:41 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-09 8:30 ` arnold
2020-01-07 6:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07 8:24 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:44 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-08 15:29 ` Steve Mynott
2020-01-08 23:31 ` Dave Horsfall
2020-01-07 9:43 ` ullbeking
2020-01-07 14:53 ` Dan Cross
2020-01-07 19:35 ` Rodrigo G. López
2020-01-08 5:13 ` Mark van Atten
2020-01-07 15:03 ` Clem Cole
2020-01-07 15:50 ` Thomas Paulsen
2020-01-07 20:45 ` Chet Ramey
2020-01-07 21:20 ` Derek Fawcus
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