The Unix Heritage Society mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Steffen Nurpmeso <steffen@sdaoden.eu>
To: emanuel stiebler <emu@e-bbes.com>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: python
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2023 17:39:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230803153950.DzynA%steffen@sdaoden.eu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com>

emanuel stiebler wrote in
 <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com>:
 |On 2023-08-03 09:29, Rob Pike wrote:
 |> The idea of indentation defining structure seemed really cool when it 
 |> arose. I first saw it in a toy language called Henry, back in the early 
 |> 1980s.
 |> 
 |> But over time the notion that invisible characters define program 
 |> execution created so many problems that in retrospect it is ill advised 
 |> despite its prevalence. In fact its prevalence makes it even less 
 |> advisable, as it creates yet more areas for trouble.
 |
 |Most editors have some "beautify modes" which can fix indentation,
 |so the programmer sees what he is doing in deep nested stuff.
 |
 |Counting "white spaces" in 21st century?

Normally a newer C compiler beats unto you if your indentation
does not satisfy him?  (Or was that clang only?  That one maybe
learns to cook your favorite hot beverage if its size exceeds the
second gigabyte.)

 --End of <99511256-1c0a-732b-4b78-a879a67a2291@e-bbes.com>

Ciao.

P.S.: unfair + without any insider knowledge: it must be like that.

  $ ll /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz
  -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 250632 Jul 31 21:14 /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz
  $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz
  Strms  Blocks   Compressed Uncompressed  Ratio  Check   Filename
      1       1    244.8 KiB   1180.5 KiB  0.207  CRC64   /usr/ports/built/tcc#20230731-1.pkg.tar.xz


No pcc here at the moment :(


  $ ll /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz
  -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 50662716 May 27 20:45 /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz
  $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz
  Strms  Blocks   Compressed Uncompressed  Ratio  Check   Filename
      1       9     48.3 MiB    206.5 MiB  0.234  CRC64   /usr/ports/built/gcc#12.3.0-2.pkg.tar.xz
  $ prt-get info gcc|grep Depend
  Dependencies: libmpc,zlib,zstd


  $ ll /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 103260340 Jun 23 22:19 /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  Strms  Blocks   Compressed Uncompressed  Ratio  Check   Filename
      1      42     98.5 MiB    991.7 MiB  0.099  CRC64   /usr/ports/built/clang#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz

  $ prt-get info clang|grep Depend
  Dependencies: compiler-rt

  $ ll /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 3633680 Jun 23 21:04 /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  Strms  Blocks   Compressed Uncompressed  Ratio  Check   Filename
      1       2   3548.5 KiB     36.3 MiB  0.096  CRC64   /usr/ports/built/compiler-rt#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz

  $ prt-get info compiler-rt|grep Depend
  Dependencies: llvm

  $ ll /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  -rw-rw---- 1 ports ports 115485456 Jun 23 21:00 /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  $ xz -l /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz
  Strms  Blocks   Compressed Uncompressed  Ratio  Check   Filename
      1      29    110.1 MiB    678.9 MiB  0.162  CRC64   /usr/ports/built/llvm#16.0.6-1.pkg.tar.xz

  $ prt-get info llvm|grep Depend
  Dependencies: cmake,libffi,libxml2,ninja,python3-setuptools

--steffen
|
|Der Kragenbaer,                The moon bear,
|der holt sich munter           he cheerfully and one by one
|einen nach dem anderen runter  wa.ks himself off
|(By Robert Gernhardt)

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-03 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-30 18:22 [TUHS] Re: Cool talk on Unix and Sendmail history, by Eric Allman Norman Wilson
2023-07-30 21:43 ` Rob Pike
2023-07-30 23:34   ` George Michaelson
2023-07-30 23:59     ` Erik E. Fair
2023-07-31  0:26       ` Warner Losh
2023-07-31 22:57         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-07-31 23:05           ` Warner Losh
2023-08-01  2:45             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-08-01  1:51         ` Niklas Karlsson
2023-08-01  2:47           ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-08-01  3:20           ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-07-31  0:41       ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-01  9:22       ` Marc Donner
2023-08-01 10:58         ` Erik E. Fair
2023-08-02  0:37           ` Dave Horsfall
2023-08-02 14:52             ` Ron Natalie
2023-08-02 21:14               ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2023-08-02 22:20                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-02 22:37                   ` Warner Losh
2023-08-02 23:49                   ` Rich Salz
2023-08-03  0:51                     ` [TUHS] Re: python Larry McVoy
2023-08-03  1:20                       ` George Michaelson
2023-08-03  2:53                         ` Bakul Shah
2023-08-03  2:55                         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-03  3:24                         ` George Michaelson
2023-08-03  3:32                           ` Warner Losh
2023-08-03  3:55                           ` Bakul Shah
2023-08-03  8:32                             ` Rob Pike
2023-08-03 14:19                               ` Bakul Shah
2023-08-03 14:56                                 ` Dan Halbert
2023-08-03 15:20                                   ` will.senn
2023-08-03 22:05                                     ` Dan Cross
2023-08-04  0:24                                       ` John Cowan
2023-08-04 15:17                                         ` Dan Cross
2023-08-05  4:44                                       ` Bakul Shah
2023-08-03 15:41                                 ` John Cowan
2023-08-03  2:07                       ` Clem Cole
2023-08-03  2:21                         ` Pete Wright via TUHS
2023-08-03  2:56                           ` Warner Losh
2023-08-03 12:36                         ` Mike Markowski
2023-08-03 13:29                           ` Rob Pike
2023-08-03 15:24                             ` emanuel stiebler
2023-08-03 15:39                               ` Steffen Nurpmeso [this message]
2023-08-04  1:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-04  1:28                               ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-08-04  1:58                                 ` Adam Thornton
2023-08-04 15:04                                   ` Dan Cross
2023-08-04 15:10                                     ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-03 16:57                         ` [TUHS] Re: [TULSA] " Phil Budne
2023-08-03 17:00                           ` Rich Salz
2023-08-03 20:35                             ` [TUHS] Split addressing (I/D) space (inspired by the death of the python... thread) Will Senn
2023-08-03 21:05                               ` [TUHS] " Kenneth Goodwin
2023-08-03 21:10                                 ` Ronald Natalie
2023-08-03 21:16                                   ` Warner Losh
2023-08-03 21:24                                     ` Ronald Natalie
2023-08-03 22:34                                   ` Kenneth Goodwin
2023-08-03 21:05                               ` Ronald Natalie
2023-08-03 21:44                               ` Clem Cole
2023-08-03 22:08                                 ` Will Senn
2023-08-03 22:54                                   ` Clem Cole
2023-08-03 23:08                                     ` Dave Horsfall
2023-08-03 23:15                                     ` Clem Cole
2023-08-04  0:38                                     ` John Cowan
2023-08-03 17:29                           ` [TUHS] Re: [TULSA] Re: python Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-03 17:51                             ` John Cowan
2023-08-03 18:05                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-03 21:29                                 ` Dan Cross
2023-08-03 23:55                                   ` [TUHS] printf (was: python) Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-04 16:06                                     ` [TUHS] " Dan Cross
2023-08-04 16:57                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-04 21:16                                         ` Dan Cross
2023-08-03 21:02                           ` [TUHS] Re: [TULSA] Re: python Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-08-03 23:47                           ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-03 23:54                             ` Will Senn
2023-08-04 19:20                         ` [TUHS] " Ed Bradford
2023-08-04 19:47                           ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-05  5:40                             ` Ed Bradford
2023-08-02 23:33               ` [TUHS] Re: Cool talk on Unix and Sendmail history, by Eric Allman Dave Horsfall
2023-08-04 20:11 [TUHS] Re: python Noel Chiappa
2023-08-04 20:15 ` Larry McVoy
2023-08-04 20:45   ` Adam Thornton
2023-08-04 21:17 Douglas McIlroy
2023-08-04 21:30 ` Dan Cross
2023-08-04 22:36 ` Rob Pike
2023-08-06 19:46 Norman Wilson
2023-08-07  6:48 ` Ed Bradford

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20230803153950.DzynA%steffen@sdaoden.eu \
    --to=steffen@sdaoden.eu \
    --cc=emu@e-bbes.com \
    --cc=tuhs@tuhs.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).