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From: mutiny.mutiny@india.com (Donald ODona)
Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 09:11:40 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <481080680.23531.1517735500590.JavaMail.tomcat@india-live-be03> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W7CaiOeeFde0G3t+_siaHGtpQosH95weB=MxjzjT4SgHA@mail.gmail.com>



At 4 Feb 2018 00:39:36 +0000 (+00:00) from Dan Cross <crossd at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Dave Horsfall <dave at horsfall.org> wrote:

> The design of the original NT kernel was overseen by Dave Cutler, of VMS
> and RSX-11M fame, and had a very strong and apparent VMS influence. Some
> VAX wizards I know told me that they saw a lot of VMS in NT's design, but
> that it probably wasn't as good (different design goals, etc: apparently
> Gates wanted DOS++ and a quick time to market; Cutler wanted to do a *real*
> OS and they compromised to wind up with VMS--).

Win32/WinNT basically is OS2 Release 3, with IBM as customer and principal leader. 
Release 3 was OS/2 portable running on more that Intel X86. Furthermore MS hired
a Mach developer for NT Kernel, which, like all micro kernels, started as micro kernel
and soon became a hybrid out of good reasons.
Cutler contribution to Windows is largely overrated, because all these rumors of a VMS
heritage serve MS as a marketing campaign to compete against *NIX, because of VMS
reputation as very stable and secure OS. In real Windows has nothing to do with
VMS. Cutler and his team were hired after DEC stopped the mica project out of good
reasons. Windows has a lot to do with OS/2 and IBM is responsible for it. Without
the expertise of IBM MS surely would have build windows GUI upon xenix. Remember
xenix was MS unix and the most wide spread UNIX of the 80ths. 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-04  9:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-04  0:37 Dan Cross
2018-02-04  2:59 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-04  5:06   ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  5:18     ` Warner Losh
2018-02-05 19:43     ` Paul Winalski
2018-02-05 21:19       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-02-06  0:37         ` Steve Nickolas
2018-02-06  0:45           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-06  9:14           ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  9:14   ` Angelo Papenhoff
2018-02-04 14:15     ` arnold
2018-02-04 17:21     ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-04 20:05       ` Dan Cross
2018-02-04 20:55         ` Nemo
2018-02-04 20:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 20:59           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-02-04 22:12             ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05  1:32             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05  1:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 21:04         ` Toby Thain
2018-02-04 22:22           ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04 22:43         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 22:54           ` George Michaelson
2018-02-05  3:35           ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  3:40           ` Dan Cross
2018-02-05 13:48             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05 14:31               ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 21:51               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 21:57                 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 22:31                   ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-05 23:16                     ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:49                       ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-06 17:42                       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-06 18:23                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:10                   ` Charles Anthony
2018-02-05 23:20                   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:28                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 23:36                       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:52                         ` George Michaelson
2018-02-06 14:52                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-02-05 23:18               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-06 21:51               ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06 23:14                 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-06 23:22                   ` Warner Losh
2018-02-07  3:03                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:33                   ` Clem Cole
2018-02-07  1:54                   ` Dan Cross
2018-02-07 18:01                     ` Tony Finch
2018-02-09  2:35                       ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-07 18:50                     ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-15 13:23                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-02-05  0:27         ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-05  0:41     ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-04  9:11 ` Donald ODona [this message]
2018-02-04 23:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 23:46   ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-04 23:58     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05  0:06 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05  5:37   ` Steve Johnson
2018-02-05  5:53     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-02-05 10:49       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  6:57     ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05 15:20 Doug McIlroy

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