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From: robert@timetraveller.org (Robert Brockway)
Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 16:57:52 +1000 (AEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802051630590.1684@sirius.opentrend.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59b04299e6f9cdd8c15f854030e1bacee3ed2ef3@webmail.yaccman.com>

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2018, Steve Johnson wrote:

> Now things are a million times bigger and it feels like chaos has
> become the accepted model for how we live...  I see it particularly

Absolutely.  It seems like no regard is given to reducing complexity 
anymore.  I think the current path is unsustainable.  Increased complexity 
results in diminishing returns in development work eventually stifling 
innovation.

Time and time again I see people choosing overly-complicated solutions 
when, in many cases, a small shell script would suffice.

A few years ago I was left to manage (as head of the operations team) a 
monstrosity of an application that seemed to have been designed with the 
express purpose of using all available components of AWS.  I was able to 
show that there was no deterministic manner in which the application could 
be cold booted.  In the event that it needed to be restarted the 
operations team was left to bring the entire system up, watch for errors 
and cycle components in random order until the errors stopped.  I'm not 
kidding.  Fortunately that application has been sent to the bit bucket, 
never to bother anyone again.

Here's my prediction:

In a few years some people (most likely sales droids) will start talking 
about simplicity in IT and presenting it as an amazing new concept which 
no one has thought of before.  This will be very similar to the way that 
"the cloud" is sold today.

Cheers,

Rob


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-02-05  6:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-04  0:37 Dan Cross
2018-02-04  2:59 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-04  5:06   ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  5:18     ` Warner Losh
2018-02-05 19:43     ` Paul Winalski
2018-02-05 21:19       ` Michael Kjörling
2018-02-06  0:37         ` Steve Nickolas
2018-02-06  0:45           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-06  9:14           ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04  9:14   ` Angelo Papenhoff
2018-02-04 14:15     ` arnold
2018-02-04 17:21     ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-04 20:05       ` Dan Cross
2018-02-04 20:55         ` Nemo
2018-02-04 20:57           ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 20:59           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-02-04 22:12             ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05  1:32             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05  1:44               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 21:04         ` Toby Thain
2018-02-04 22:22           ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04 22:43         ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 22:54           ` George Michaelson
2018-02-05  3:35           ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  3:40           ` Dan Cross
2018-02-05 13:48             ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05 14:31               ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 21:51               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 21:57                 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 22:31                   ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-05 23:16                     ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:49                       ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-06 17:42                       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-06 18:23                         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:10                   ` Charles Anthony
2018-02-05 23:20                   ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:28                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 23:36                       ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:52                         ` George Michaelson
2018-02-06 14:52                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-02-05 23:18               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-06 21:51               ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06 23:14                 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-06 23:22                   ` Warner Losh
2018-02-07  3:03                     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:23                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07  1:33                   ` Clem Cole
2018-02-07  1:54                   ` Dan Cross
2018-02-07 18:01                     ` Tony Finch
2018-02-09  2:35                       ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-07 18:50                     ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-15 13:23                     ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-02-05  0:27         ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-05  0:41     ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-04  9:11 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-04 23:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 23:46   ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-04 23:58     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05  0:06 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05  5:37   ` Steve Johnson
2018-02-05  5:53     ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-02-05 10:49       ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05  6:57     ` Robert Brockway [this message]
2018-02-05 15:20 Doug McIlroy

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