From: imp@bsdimp.com (Warner Losh)
Subject: [TUHS] Windows roots and Unix influence (was Re: Happy birthday, Ken Thompson!)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 22:18:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfrgocYWxycfZxq9Zpsi29m1ZjahH3bFwAPBpkz0W3GVzQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Wesley Parish <wobblygong at gmail.com> wrote:
> From what little I know, Dave Cutler was wanting to work on a VMS
> (Next Generation) at DEC, but couldn't manage to get management to
> agree, so when the possibility of doing a VMS (Next Gen) at Microsoft
> came up, he jumped for it.
>
> At least that's what I read back in the late 90s. I've forgotten where
> I read it, unfortunately, so unless someone can come up with a source
> for it, best treat it with a pinch of salt.
This was certainly the story that was going around at the time...
Warner
>
> Wesley Parish
>
> On 2/4/18, Nemo Nusquam <cym224 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 02/03/18 19:37, Dan Cross wrote (in part):
> >> The design of the original NT kernel was overseen by Dave Cutler, of VMS
> >> and RSX-11M fame, and had a very strong and apparent VMS influence. Some
> >> VAX wizards I know told me that they saw a lot of VMS in NT's design,
> >> but that it probably wasn't as good (different design goals, etc:
> >> apparently Gates wanted DOS++ and a quick time to market; Cutler wanted
> >> to do a *real* OS and they compromised to wind up with VMS--).
> >
> > I recall that Cutler wanted a portable OS and had a cli version running
> > on MIPS first. Eventually, Gates ordered a GUI "bolted on" and things
> > went bad.
> >
> >> It's true that there was (is? I don't know anymore...) a POSIX
> >> subsystem, but that seemed more oriented at being a marketing check in
> >> the box for sales to the US government and DoD (which had "standardized"
> >> on POSIX and made it a requirement when investing in new systems).
> >
> > Indeed, but it was functionally useless in that it could interact with
> > the NT system. It always reminds of the time that NT obtained FIPS 140
> > Level 1 but with no network. (Had NIST not re-organised their website, I
> > would link to the certificate.)
> >
> > N.
> >
>
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2018-02-04 0:37 Dan Cross
2018-02-04 2:59 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-04 5:06 ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04 5:18 ` Warner Losh [this message]
2018-02-05 19:43 ` Paul Winalski
2018-02-05 21:19 ` Michael Kjörling
2018-02-06 0:37 ` Steve Nickolas
2018-02-06 0:45 ` Warner Losh
2018-02-06 9:14 ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-04 9:14 ` Angelo Papenhoff
2018-02-04 14:15 ` arnold
2018-02-04 17:21 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-04 20:05 ` Dan Cross
2018-02-04 20:55 ` Nemo
2018-02-04 20:57 ` Warner Losh
2018-02-04 20:59 ` Jon Steinhart
2018-02-04 22:12 ` Clem Cole
2018-02-05 1:32 ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05 1:44 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 21:04 ` Toby Thain
2018-02-04 22:22 ` Andy Kosela
2018-02-04 22:43 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 22:54 ` George Michaelson
2018-02-05 3:35 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 3:40 ` Dan Cross
2018-02-05 13:48 ` William Cheswick
2018-02-05 14:31 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 21:51 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 21:57 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 22:31 ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-05 23:16 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:49 ` Grant Taylor
2018-02-06 17:42 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-06 18:23 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:10 ` Charles Anthony
2018-02-05 23:20 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:28 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 23:36 ` Arthur Krewat
2018-02-05 23:52 ` George Michaelson
2018-02-06 14:52 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-02-05 23:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-06 21:51 ` Dan Cross
2018-02-06 23:14 ` Nemo Nusquam
2018-02-06 23:22 ` Warner Losh
2018-02-07 3:03 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07 1:23 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-07 1:33 ` Clem Cole
2018-02-07 1:54 ` Dan Cross
2018-02-07 18:01 ` Tony Finch
2018-02-09 2:35 ` Wesley Parish
2018-02-07 18:50 ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-15 13:23 ` Tim Bradshaw
2018-02-05 0:27 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-02-05 0:41 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-04 9:11 ` Donald ODona
2018-02-04 23:25 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-04 23:46 ` Bakul Shah
2018-02-04 23:58 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-02-05 0:06 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05 5:37 ` Steve Johnson
2018-02-05 5:53 ` Greg 'groggy' Lehey
2018-02-05 10:49 ` Ron Natalie
2018-02-05 6:57 ` Robert Brockway
2018-02-05 15:20 Doug McIlroy
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