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From: paul.winalski@gmail.com (Paul Winalski)
Subject: [TUHS] OT: critical Intel design flaw
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2018 14:56:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABH=_VSy6wfxm0hQT-8004mp6Rqgy6vOvXHO1itv69Jqw7eceg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC20D2NUfSHt36bSy4HL5A9ZXOL3QSP26ZT4bKxYcmHb0YLx5w@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/3/18, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Bakul Shah <bakul at bitblocks.com> wrote:
>
> Similarly, Microsoft since Windows (not OS/2) was the UI for NT in the end;
> Microsoft had to put hacks into the make user code work and NT became a
> hybrid (like Mach 2.x) and never pushed the pure kernel that Mica (NT's
> origin had been). To do so would have broken code which at the time was
> something they were loath to do.

Microsoft's developers had a "hook and hack" mentality with regard to
the OS.  This goes back to the days of DOS, when once your application
started, you could do anything you pleased, as long as you put the OS
kernel back to its clean state before you exited.  Dave Cutler fought
tooth and nail against any attempts to insert hooks in the NT
microkernel, or to muddle the layered design.  But after Dave left
day-to-day NT development, things got muddied up.

-Paul W.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-01-03 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-03 13:43 Noel Chiappa
2018-01-03 14:26 ` Clem Cole
2018-01-03 17:28   ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-03 17:46     ` ron minnich
2018-01-03 18:28       ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-03 18:27     ` Clem Cole
2018-01-03 18:39       ` Forrest, Jon
2018-01-03 18:50         ` ron minnich
2018-01-03 19:56       ` Paul Winalski [this message]
2018-01-03 20:24       ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-03 23:40       ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-04  0:51         ` Larry McVoy
2018-01-04  2:13           ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-04  2:26             ` Larry McVoy
2018-01-04  3:31               ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-04  2:09         ` Arthur Krewat
2018-01-04  3:21           ` Dan Cross
2018-01-04 17:42             ` Arthur Krewat
2018-01-04 11:53         ` Harald Arnesen
2018-01-04 14:03           ` Clem Cole
2018-01-04 15:54             ` Larry McVoy
2018-01-04 16:45             ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-04 17:10               ` Andy Kosela
2018-01-04 17:17               ` Larry McVoy
2018-01-04 18:29                 ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-04 18:50                   ` Larry McVoy
2018-01-04 20:52                     ` Warner Losh
2018-01-04 20:56                       ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-04 20:56                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-04 21:16                     ` Warner Losh
2018-01-04 22:55                       ` Andy Kosela
2018-01-05 14:27                         ` Clem Cole
2018-01-04 21:17                     ` Bakul Shah
2018-01-04 17:20               ` Tom Ivar Helbekkmo
2018-01-04 17:28                 ` Warner Losh
2018-01-03 17:07 ` Bakul Shah
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-01-03 17:06 Norman Wilson
2018-01-03  7:53 Andy Kosela
2018-01-03 11:57 ` Ron Natalie
2018-01-03 14:22   ` Random832

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