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From: Dan Cross <crossd@gmail.com>
To: Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] moving directories in svr2
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:37:37 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W4OgF1wKwdeRVB_-0tWQsHTt+J5H3-yTVPDAyphUCkAqA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKH6PiV3BBGaent3XVP+f6sMjurE=h1drwhHqpfQ=Swkj9OjXw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 2:14 PM Douglas McIlroy
<douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> > what was the last Unix version
> > that let users make arbitrary links, such that the file system was no
> > longer a DAG? I recall in v6 days hearing that earlier Unix allowed
> > this, and that cleanup (via icheck and friends) got to be near
> > impossible.
>
> From v1 on (I'm not sure about PDP-7 Unix) only the superuser could do
> that, so what you heard strikes me as urban legend. Perhaps some
> installations abused root privilege to scramble the file system, but I
> certainly didn't see that happen in Research systems.

I recall doing this on some system via a lesser-known flag to `ln`.
But I believe that a) you had to be root, and b) fsck sure was unhappy
after the fact. I gather it was one of those, "wizard sysadmin invokes
the deep magic from single user mode to fix the filesystem" and like
other such arcana was mostly for dealing with seriously perverse
failure modes, possibly in concert with the `unlink` command.

https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ln&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=SunOS+4.1.3&arch=default&format=html
says that the `-f` flag to `ln` would force a hard link to a directory
on (at least) SunOS 4.1.3.

The 4.3BSD man page has this gem: "Hard links may not refer to
directories (unless the proper incantations are supplied) and may not
span file systems." And indeed, a quick look at /usr/src/bin/ln.c on a
VAX running 4.3 shows that it has an undocumented `-f` flag:
presumably the "proper incantation" mentioned in the man page.

        - Dan C.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-29 19:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-29 19:13 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 19:37 ` Dan Cross [this message]
2021-12-29 20:15   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 20:42     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 20:58       ` Dan Cross
2021-12-29 21:20         ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30  3:15       ` Bakul Shah
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-30  3:45 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  4:02 ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-30 16:40 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-30 22:31   ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  0:43     ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  1:00       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  1:45         ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-31  2:23           ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 18:56       ` Chet Ramey
2021-12-31  3:08     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  3:23       ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31  5:16         ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-12-31  5:21           ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31  5:55           ` Rob Pike
2021-12-31 13:32             ` Michael Kjörling
2021-12-31 15:53               ` Adam Thornton
2021-12-31 16:13                 ` Arthur Krewat
2021-12-31 18:17                 ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:23                   ` Larry McVoy
2021-12-31 18:37                     ` Dan Cross
2021-12-31 18:29                   ` Arthur Krewat
2022-01-01  0:09                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 13:35                     ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 20:23                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 20:45                         ` Warner Losh
2022-01-03 21:15                         ` Dan Cross
2022-01-03 22:26                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-03 23:10                             ` Dan Cross
2022-01-04 15:45                             ` Chet Ramey
2022-01-09 19:28                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:21                           ` Doug McIntyre
2022-01-03 23:37                             ` Adam Thornton
2022-01-04 14:49                               ` Stuart Remphrey
2022-01-03 23:44                             ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 23:56                               ` Warner Losh
2022-01-04  2:28                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-01-04  2:42                                 ` Larry McVoy
2022-01-03 22:57                         ` Phil Budne
2021-12-31  5:12       ` Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 19:33 Noel Chiappa
2021-12-30  3:40 ` Jay Logue via TUHS
2021-12-29 17:12 Douglas McIlroy
2021-12-29 16:59 Bakul Shah
2021-12-29 17:04 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:14 ` arnold
2021-12-29 17:38   ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 17:49     ` Brantley Coile
2021-12-29 18:27       ` ron minnich
2021-12-29 20:59         ` Rob Pike
2021-12-29 14:33 Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:02 ` arnold
2021-12-29 15:38   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 15:44     ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 16:17       ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:58         ` Richard Salz
2021-12-30  5:14         ` Dan Stromberg
2021-12-30 16:22           ` Clem Cole
2021-12-30 18:02           ` John Cowan
2021-12-30 23:04             ` Richard Salz
2021-12-29 15:17 ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 15:44   ` Will Senn
2021-12-29 16:10     ` Clem Cole
2021-12-29 16:33       ` Warner Losh
2021-12-29 16:01   ` Bakul Shah

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