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From: Marc Donner <marc.donner@gmail.com>
To: Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 20:17:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALQ0xCA7AfiW6i4PRB9kDKkeMSuGAT1PqkAWbzRgL-JeZJrRiQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP2nic1+a3NX9yqKXA3W2Li=uWpTYS-FOhtvRLNpUNHcPFV32Q@mail.gmail.com>

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Back in the mid-late 1980s I was at IBM Research where I was sort of the
proprietor of a bunch of Unix boxes (about 200+, about split evenly between
Sun machines and RT-PCs running BSD 4.3 (the ACIS port).  I was in the
Mathematics department and we called it Mathnet.  Rekhter developed the BGP
stuff on one of our machines and Zadeck implemented the SSA stuff on one.

When the RS-6000 and AIX 3 were under preparation the AIX folks asked us to
help get AIX 3 ready for the real world.  They gave us a bunch of RS-6000s
(we looked at them and laughed - "what a whale" one of us said ... we
called the lab Marineland) and we tried integrating them into our UNIX
single (single-ish) system image.

We maintained our (rough) image consistency by rdisting stuff, including
administrative junk, from a central set of machines to all of the others.

Well, the AIX systems depended on this database called the ODM (we called
it the odious data mangler).

The problem was that the designers of the ODM envisioned themselves as
managing a mainframe.  The ODM commingled information about the
installation (the entire site), the instance (the box itself), and the
community (users and stuff).  This meant that the database included device
identifiers.

We tried rdist-ing the ODM from our central machine to all the rest of our
machines.  Oops ... lobotomies all around.

I won't bore you with all of the details, but it was a struggle.

At one point I threatened the head of AIX 3 development in Austin, TX that
I would post the source code of some major component to rec.humor.funny.
He was not my friend.

Anyway, we did end up making a list of horrible things that they absolutely
had to fix.  And, to their credit, they got a lot of it fixed so that when
the RS-6000 and AIX 3 did ship it was not humiliating.

It was probably my first run-in with the pragmatics of shipping real
commercial production software.

Marc
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 7:55 PM Adam Thornton <athornton@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:20 AM Larry McVoy <lm@mcvoy.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretty unrealistic to expect the users to suddenly have the time to do
>> kernel dev.  Solaris opened sourced itself and it's dead.
>>
>>
> That one's not entirely on the users.
>
> There's plenty of blame for Oracle as well.
>
> I was the person nominally in charge of the OpenSolaris port to z (Neale
> Ferguson did most of the heavy lifting) when Sine Nomine built it, having
> read the tea leaves and believing that IBM would buy Sun.  And then IBM
> tightened the screws a little too far and Larry Ellison grabbed it
> instead.  Dammit.
>
> OpenSolaris development had been pretty lively, but then Oracle made it
> clear they didn't have any interest in keeping it alive.  Illumos did its
> best.
>
> Adam
>

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-19  1:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-18  9:43 [TUHS] " arnold
2023-01-18 14:46 ` [TUHS] " Phil Budne
2023-01-18 14:55   ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-01-19 14:42     ` Liam Proven
2023-01-19 15:04       ` Warner Losh
2023-01-19 15:15         ` Liam Proven
2023-01-18 15:13 ` arnold
2023-01-18 15:14   ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-18 16:10     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-18 16:19       ` Stuff Received
2023-01-18 16:19       ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-18 16:27         ` [TUHS] Maintenance mode on AIX Ron Natalie
2023-01-18 16:38           ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-01-18 16:59             ` Clem Cole
2023-01-18 17:08               ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-18 17:21                 ` Will Senn
2023-01-18 19:50                   ` David Barto
2023-01-19 14:25                   ` Liam Proven
2023-01-18 20:34             ` Arno Griffioen via TUHS
2023-01-18 20:50               ` Brad Spencer
2023-01-18 16:36         ` [TUHS] Re: AIX moved into maintainance mode Will Senn
2023-01-18 16:42           ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-18 16:57             ` Will Senn
2023-01-18 17:16               ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-18 17:25                 ` Will Senn
2023-01-18 21:09                   ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-18 21:18                     ` Kevin Bowling
2023-01-19  1:13                     ` Joseph Holsten
2023-01-19 15:04                     ` Liam Proven
2023-01-18 19:25             ` Dave Horsfall
2023-01-19 15:02             ` Liam Proven
2023-01-19 15:12               ` arnold
2023-01-19 17:46                 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-01-19 18:24               ` Doug McIntyre
2023-01-19 19:44                 ` Chet Ramey
2023-01-20 13:09                 ` Liam Proven
2023-01-20 14:37                   ` Harald Arnesen
2023-01-18 16:48         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-19  0:54         ` Adam Thornton
2023-01-19  1:09           ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-20 18:38             ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-01-20 18:57               ` Dan Cross
2023-01-20 19:48                 ` John Cowan
2023-01-20 20:04                   ` Dan Cross
2023-01-20 19:08               ` Kevin Bowling
2023-01-19  1:17           ` Marc Donner [this message]
2023-01-19  1:26             ` Joseph Holsten
2023-01-20 15:53               ` Marc Donner
2023-01-19 14:45         ` Liam Proven
2023-01-19 15:05           ` Dan Cross
2023-01-19 16:59             ` Bakul Shah
2023-01-19 19:33               ` [TUHS] The death of general purpose computers, was - " Will Senn
2023-01-19 20:09                 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-19 20:59                   ` Rich Morin
2023-01-19 21:11                     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-20 13:30                   ` Liam Proven
2023-01-20 15:51                     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-20 15:56                       ` Rich Morin
2023-01-20 16:24                         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-20 18:21                           ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-01-20 18:33                             ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-18 18:58       ` [TUHS] " Steve Nickolas
2023-01-19  8:02     ` arnold
2023-01-19 15:04       ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-19 15:20         ` Warner Losh
2023-01-19 15:23           ` Larry McVoy
2023-01-19 16:40           ` Dan Cross
2023-01-19 16:58             ` Warner Losh
2023-01-19 23:16               ` Theodore Ts'o
2023-01-20  0:37                 ` Warner Losh
2023-01-20  1:22                   ` Steve Nickolas
2023-01-19 17:02             ` Steve Nickolas
2023-01-19 17:19               ` Adam Thornton
2023-01-19 18:22                 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-19 19:07                   ` Kevin Bowling
2023-01-19 21:08                     ` Joseph Holsten
2023-01-19 20:01                 ` [TUHS] The era of general purpose computing (Re: " Bakul Shah
2023-01-19 22:23                   ` [TUHS] " Luther Johnson
2023-01-20  1:10                     ` John Cowan
2023-01-20  1:15                       ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-21 18:12                         ` arnold
2023-01-21 18:43                           ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-19 22:29                   ` Rich Salz
2023-01-19 22:39                     ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-19 22:41                       ` Luther Johnson
2023-01-19 22:40                     ` Jon Steinhart
2023-01-19 23:24                     ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-19 23:44                       ` Rich Salz
2023-01-19 23:51                         ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-01-20  0:20                           ` [TUHS] owner maintenance (Re: " Charles H Sauer (he/him)
2023-01-20  0:36                             ` [TUHS] " Larry McVoy
2023-01-20  0:47                         ` [TUHS] " Yeechang Lee
2023-01-20  0:55                           ` George Michaelson
2023-01-20  1:05                             ` Rich Salz
2023-01-20  1:10                               ` George Michaelson
2023-01-20  2:27                     ` Dan Cross
2023-01-18 21:20 ` [TUHS] " Theodore Ts'o
2023-01-18 21:27   ` Kevin Bowling
2023-01-19  2:17   ` Jim Carpenter
2023-01-19 21:15 ` Will Senn
2023-01-19 21:34   ` Drew Diver

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