From: Warner Losh <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: segaloco <email@example.com>
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2023 17:08:50 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfoMtP7vyjvO-jL0xVSNE8rWAjKx-zsvn+rDsOypmuYt2Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 5:55 PM segaloco <email@example.com> wrote:
> I guess I hadn't considered deeply nested loops. I contort myself into a
> mental pretzel figuring out how to avoid GOTOs sometimes, maybe I could
> stand to embrace one every once in a while myself...
Yea. I recall a proposal to add break label; and the label could only be at
the end of a loop. The objection was why bloat the compiler with another
goto... I developed my restricted lack of fear after a stint in Java with
its multilevel break...
Now doing some research, more languages support GOTO than I thought,
> including C#, PHP, even Rust for all its safety orientation appears to at
> least muster a GOTO-ish construct. If people keep doing it, it must still
> be wanted, needed, and useful. I stand corrected on my never-GOTO attitude.
> Now to slip a GOTO into a work project and see how long it takes to get
> chastised :)
> - Matt G.
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 3:54 PM, Warner Losh <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Oh also sometimes for breaking out of multiple levels of while/for loops.
> The alternatives are often worse.
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 4:31 PM Luther Johnson <email@example.com> wrote:
>> I agree, unless I use setjmp/longjmp for that. Besides error recovery,
>> there are occasionally other times when we want to locally "return" to a
>> common state and start "from the top" again. I find such uses very clear in
>> their intent, and if commented well, not hard to follow at all - as long as
>> there is not more than one "top" :)
>> On 03/09/2023 04:21 PM, Warner Losh wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2023, 4:18 PM segaloco via TUHS <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>> GOTO is one of those paradoxical things where I would only trust the
>>> most sophisticated engineer to know when it's acceptable to use a GOTO but
>>> on the flip side would be suspicious of anyone claiming to be an engineer
>>> that uses any amount of GOTOs...
>>> Were any of the various GOTOs in languages ever meant to be any more
>>> than providing the same level of control that branch statements in assembly
>>> do? Was there ever some vision anyone's aware of concerning a
>>> sophisticated, dependable use of GOTOs? Since my first days poking around
>>> learning C GOTO has been mentally filed away as an assembly vestige for
>>> folks in transition, not a dependable construct in its own right. Any
>>> alternative camps out there?
>> In C I use it all the time to do goto err for common error recovery
>> because C doesn't have anything better.
>>> - Matt G.
>>> ------- Original Message -------
>>> On Thursday, March 9th, 2023 at 3:01 PM, Steffen Nurpmeso <
>>> email@example.com> wrote:
>>> > I wonder if Pink Floyd's Summer68 maybe refers to this.
>>> > Other than that i am addicted and could not live without it.
>>> > The other (terrible) song is from 1984 (east southern US).
>>> > --steffen
>>> > |
>>> > |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear,
>>> > |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one
>>> > |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off
>>> > |(By Robert Gernhardt)
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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-09 23:01 [TUHS] " Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-09 23:18 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-09 23:21 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-09 23:31 ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-09 23:44 ` josh
2023-03-09 23:54 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-10 0:54 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-10 1:08 ` Warner Losh [this message]
2023-03-10 10:08 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 11:37 ` arnold
2023-03-10 11:56 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 11:59 ` arnold
2023-03-10 12:11 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 6:15 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-10 16:55 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 17:02 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-12 20:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-12 21:50 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-12 22:27 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-13 3:09 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55thanniversary Dave Horsfall
2023-03-14 19:54 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 1:31 ` [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary Rich Morin
2023-03-10 11:37 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 15:54 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 7:39 ` Anthony Martin
2023-03-12 11:40 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 16:40 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 3:25 ` John Cowan
2023-03-13 10:40 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 12:19 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-10 11:51 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 14:16 ` Ronald Natalie
2023-03-10 14:39 ` John Cowan
2023-03-10 16:30 ` Phil Budne
2023-03-10 17:50 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 17:57 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-10 18:12 ` Lawrence Stewart
2023-03-10 17:28 ` Clem Cole
2023-03-10 17:54 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-10 15:37 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 15:46 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-10 16:04 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-10 18:55 ` Ron Natalie
2023-03-10 19:04 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-10 19:35 ` segaloco via TUHS
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