From: Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com>
To: Ronald Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com>
Cc: Noel Chiappa <jnc@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>, tuhs@tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Re: I can't drive 55: "GOTO considered harmful" 55th anniversary
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 12:28:12 -0500 [thread overview]
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On Fri, Mar 10, 2023 at 9:16 AM Ronald Natalie <ron@ronnatalie.com> wrote:
> Multilevel breaks are as bad as goto with regard to structure violation.
>
Amen. My memory of the argument at the time was one of pick your poison.
Each language has trade-offs and it depends on what you value. C was
considered "dirty" by many CS types in the day compared to languages like
Pascal, Simula67, Algol-X.
I've always said the key was what was left out of the language, not what
was put in. Dennis offers a few important pieces of wisdom here:
- "When I read commentary about suggestions for where C should go, I
often think back and give thanks that it wasn't developed under the advice
of a worldwide crowd."
- "A language that doesn't have everything is actually easier to program
in than some that do."
- "C is quirky, flawed, and an enormous success."
Arnold's observation about trying to be small is reasonable,
although contemporaries like BLISS did have support. So the comparison
should really be to BCPL, PL/360, BLISS, *et al*. for features/size
[although Wulf cheated, the BLISS-11 compiler was not self-hosting and
needed a PDP-10 to run it].
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Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-03-10 11:51 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 14:16 ` Ronald Natalie
2023-03-10 14:39 ` John Cowan
2023-03-10 16:30 ` Phil Budne
2023-03-10 17:50 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 17:57 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-10 18:12 ` Lawrence Stewart
2023-03-10 17:28 ` Clem Cole [this message]
2023-03-10 17:54 ` Paul Winalski
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2023-03-10 15:37 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 15:46 ` Larry McVoy
2023-03-10 16:04 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-10 18:55 ` Ron Natalie
2023-03-10 19:04 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-10 19:35 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-10 11:37 Noel Chiappa
2023-03-10 15:54 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 7:39 ` Anthony Martin
2023-03-12 11:40 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-12 16:40 ` Paul Winalski
2023-03-13 3:25 ` John Cowan
2023-03-13 10:40 ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2023-03-13 12:19 ` Dan Cross
2023-03-09 23:01 [TUHS] " Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-09 23:18 ` [TUHS] " segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-09 23:21 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-09 23:31 ` Luther Johnson
2023-03-09 23:44 ` josh
2023-03-09 23:54 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-10 0:54 ` segaloco via TUHS
2023-03-10 1:08 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-10 10:08 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 11:37 ` arnold
2023-03-10 11:56 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 11:59 ` arnold
2023-03-10 12:11 ` Ralph Corderoy
2023-03-10 6:15 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-10 16:55 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 17:02 ` Bakul Shah
2023-03-12 20:47 ` Dave Horsfall
2023-03-12 21:50 ` Warner Losh
2023-03-12 22:27 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2023-03-10 1:31 ` Rich Morin
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