From: jason-tuhs@shalott.net (jason-tuhs@shalott.net)
Subject: [TUHS] UNIX of choice these days?
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:56:41 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LRH.2.21.1709201354420.6255@waffle.shalott.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <A0B2CA15-9392-4881-8FC1-395968167714@orthanc.ca>
>> Definitely FreeBSD, because it's solid, has thousands of ports, and
>> well, is BSD... And I access it via my MacBook :-)
>
> Free is nice as a desktop environment, but over the last several years
> it has accreted a lot of bloat. Ever since clang arrived I've become
> much less enamoured with it, despite being an active user since the 1.x
> days. As a server platform, anything I cannot remotely install over the
> network using PXE, tftp, and http via the IPMI console is a non-starter.
> That's the show stopper that's keeping it out of our data centres right
> now.
Has FreeBSD lost the ability to do unattended PXE installs? Certainly
this capability was there in the old sysinstall installer, and I used it
extensively back in the FreeBSD-3 through FreeBSD-6 days.
My personal preference is still for FreeBSD, and it's what I use on my
personal desktops, laptops, and most servers.
Most of my professional experience has been with Redhat Linux. During the
dot-com era, I found Linux to be disappointing (relative to BSD), but it's
obviously caught up by this point, and I think it's a fine choice.
I tried hard to like Mac OSX. On paper, it seemed like the ideal thing: a
real unix kernel (well, sort of...) married to a "real" UI. But in
practice, I've found it hugely disappointing. My main complaint is that
the interfaces have been so unstable. "It's just unix; you configure it
by just editing files! Oh, except that we decided to switch all the apps
to reading this NetInfo database, we just left the flat files in /etc
for... reasons... but all shipped software ignores them. Wait, did I say
NetInfo? I meant OpenDirectory." It felt like important interfaces were
changing practically with every version, and not updating was, of course,
not an option.
And then there was the whole Darwin v. OpenDarwin debacle and the
basically fake approach to being open source.
It eventually became clear to me that Apple's intention was that users
should never look under the hood nor tinker with the system. And since
looking under the hood and tinkering are kind of _sine qua non_ for me for
an operating system, I stopped using it.
-Jason
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2017-09-20 0:12 Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 0:26 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-20 0:39 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-20 1:03 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-09-20 20:56 ` jason-tuhs [this message]
2017-09-23 9:17 ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23 9:36 ` Steve Mynott
2017-09-23 10:03 ` Dario Niedermann
2017-09-23 23:04 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 0:11 ` Random832
2017-09-24 1:19 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 13:46 ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-24 14:02 ` ron minnich
2017-09-24 14:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-24 20:36 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-24 21:38 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-24 23:36 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-24 23:50 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25 0:03 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25 15:36 ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26 0:42 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-26 9:54 ` Tony Finch
2017-09-26 14:41 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 17:34 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:39 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26 18:26 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-26 17:43 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 19:44 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-26 23:22 ` Wesley Parish
2017-09-25 0:51 ` Charles Anthony
2017-09-25 0:36 ` Dan Cross
2017-09-25 0:44 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-25 0:56 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-25 15:45 ` Tony Finch
2017-09-25 16:14 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-25 7:41 ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25 7:43 ` Cory Smelosky
2017-09-25 10:14 ` Andy Kosela
2017-09-25 9:58 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-25 11:14 ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-25 11:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-09-24 15:26 ` Christian Barthel
2017-09-24 17:33 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:33 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 17:51 ` [TUHS] RFS was: " Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 19:54 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-24 21:59 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 22:08 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-24 23:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27 8:44 ` arnold
2017-09-27 15:25 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-27 15:49 ` arnold
2017-09-27 17:38 ` Mantas Mikulėnas
2017-09-27 23:01 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-27 23:11 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-27 23:13 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-28 0:39 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 3:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2017-09-28 13:45 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 17:12 ` Steve Johnson
2017-09-28 17:58 ` [TUHS] Bill Joy was: Re: RFS Forrest, Jon
2017-09-28 0:54 ` [TUHS] RFS was: Re: UNIX of choice these days? Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28 0:59 ` William Pechter
2017-09-28 13:49 ` arnold
2017-09-28 14:07 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 14:28 ` arnold
2017-09-28 19:49 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 20:00 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-28 14:27 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-28 22:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-28 22:20 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 2:23 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-29 8:59 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 14:20 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-29 16:46 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 17:02 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-09-29 17:27 ` Pete Wright
2017-09-29 18:11 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-29 18:47 ` Andreas Kusalananda Kähäri
2017-09-29 15:22 ` George Ross
2017-09-29 18:40 ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:03 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 21:24 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-29 22:11 ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 22:21 ` Don Hopkins
2017-09-29 19:19 ` Dan Cross
2017-09-29 19:22 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-29 20:52 ` Jon Forrest
2017-09-23 23:00 ` [TUHS] " Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 22:00 ` Christian Groessler
2017-09-20 4:42 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-20 8:31 ` Mutiny
2017-09-20 9:15 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 16:58 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 17:05 ` Steve Nickolas
2017-09-20 17:53 ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 18:12 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 18:33 ` Brad Spencer
2017-09-20 19:20 ` Henry Bent
2017-09-20 19:37 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 19:58 ` Jacob Ritorto
2017-09-20 22:29 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 22:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-20 12:52 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-20 13:33 ` Nemo
2017-09-20 15:39 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-20 15:42 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 16:58 ` Ian Zimmerman
2017-09-20 17:09 ` Jon Steinhart
2017-09-20 17:31 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-20 22:40 ` Steve Simon
2017-09-20 22:51 ` Erik Berls
2017-09-20 23:37 ` Robert Brockway
2017-09-21 1:47 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-09-21 3:54 ` Gregg Levine
2017-09-21 14:33 ` Nicholas Chappell
2017-09-21 16:38 ` Mutiny
2017-09-21 16:42 ` gilbertmm
2017-09-21 18:30 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-21 23:34 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-25 10:36 ` Thomas Kellar
2017-09-21 2:28 Rudi Blom
2017-09-23 23:39 Nelson H. F. Beebe
2017-09-25 12:07 Norman Wilson
2017-09-25 14:16 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-25 15:13 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 16:51 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-26 0:56 ` ron minnich
2017-09-25 15:18 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-25 15:30 ` Warner Losh
2017-09-25 23:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 2:06 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-26 15:17 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-26 21:23 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-26 21:43 ` Arthur Krewat
2017-09-26 21:45 ` Grant Taylor
2017-09-27 0:58 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27 1:37 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27 2:02 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-27 13:50 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27 14:17 ` Larry McVoy
2017-09-28 8:10 ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 12:34 ` Chet Ramey
[not found] ` <20170928174420.GA41732@accordion.employees.org>
2017-09-28 17:57 ` Derek Fawcus
2017-09-28 18:04 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-27 3:42 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-09-27 14:35 ` Chet Ramey
2017-09-25 12:46 [TUHS] Unix " Doug McIlroy
2017-09-25 13:57 ` Clem Cole
2017-09-30 15:17 [TUHS] UNIX " Norman Wilson
2017-09-30 20:29 ` Kevin Bowling
2017-09-30 21:56 ` Bakul Shah
2017-09-30 22:37 ` Kevin Bowling
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