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From: dexen deVries <dexen.devries@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...))
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:18:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201104281618.37272.dexen.devries@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110428140053.GA8340@skaro.cthulhu.dircon.co.uk>

On Thursday 28 of April 2011 16:00:53 Digby Tarvin wrote:
> But What I think is really needed for this sort of application is a
> filesystem with:
> 	Minimal restrictions of file size (64 bit addresses)
> 	Maximum versatility in FS topology (hard link support etc)
> 	Minimal restriction on file names (character set, length)
> 	Maximum support for all conceiveable meta-data.
> 
> My off the top of the head solution would be a filesystem were each file
> has two open ended data forks. One for conventional file content, and the
> other used for tagged meta-data. Each OS supporting the filesystem would
> be able to define meta-data fields such that all meta data meaningful to
> the original filesystem could be retained in files copied to the
> removeable system, and mapped to ANSI equivalent standards meta data
> fields where appropriate. File accesses would interpret native metadata
> with fallback to the ANSI as required. I suppose it should even be able to
> suport slashes and nulls in file names, although that would make such
> fules hard to deal with from Unix.
> 
> At least it would be usable as a universal backup and file transfer medium.
> 
> Failing that, a simple and universally adopted filesystem - like FAT, but
> without the stupid limitations, would be a step forward.


long time ago, iso9660 was supplanted/extended in-line by jolliet and/or ufs. 
the new filesystem was interleaved with the iso9660. control structures were 
mostly separate, partly shared; bulk data was just shared.

perhaps something along those lines could be doable with `smart' pendrives 
(like my nokia n900 phone), that would keep all two/three fses in sync.

or, just have two or three filesystems residing at separate addresses 
(partitions?) of block device, but having shared de-duplicating backend like 
venti. so the bulk data doesn't occupy more blocks than needed.


meta: terribly sorry for spamming with those very hairy ideas.


-- 
dexen deVries

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-04-28 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-26 18:08 [9fans] spaces in filenames smiley
2011-04-26 18:42 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 18:44   ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-26 18:52   ` dexen deVries
2011-04-26 19:31     ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 19:35       ` Paul Lalonde
2011-04-27 13:10       ` Digby Tarvin
2011-04-27 13:16         ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 13:21         ` Steve Simon
2011-04-28  9:58           ` Peter A. Cejchan
2011-04-28 12:11             ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 12:35               ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) dexen deVries
2011-04-28 13:42                 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and Richard Miller
2011-04-28 14:00                 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:13                   ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 15:35                     ` [9fans] portable filesystem smiley
2011-04-28 15:38                     ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:18                   ` dexen deVries [this message]
2011-04-29 13:30               ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 14:00                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 15:06                   ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 15:17                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 19:17                       ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30  1:09                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30  2:50                           ` smiley
2011-04-30  2:55                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-26 18:43 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames erik quanstrom
2011-04-27  2:30   ` smiley
2011-04-27  2:39     ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 15:10       ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: " smiley
2011-04-28 15:30         ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 16:16           ` smiley
2011-04-28 16:21             ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 17:23               ` smiley
2011-04-28 17:35                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-28 18:20                   ` ron minnich
2011-04-28 18:50                     ` Brian L. Stuart
2011-04-28 19:19                       ` Jeff Sickel
2011-04-28 19:29                       ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 19:39                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29  2:00                           ` errno
2011-04-29  3:03                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29  6:11                               ` errno
2011-04-29  6:34                                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29  9:18                               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29  9:12                                 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29  9:44                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29  9:44                                   ` tlaronde
2011-04-29  9:54                                     ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:56                                       ` Jeff Sickel
2011-05-05  9:54                                         ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-08 18:27                                           ` tlaronde
2011-05-08 20:51                                             ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-05-09 16:54                                               ` tlaronde
2011-05-09 17:10                                                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10  8:34                                                   ` hiro
2011-05-10 12:27                                                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-13  8:40                                                       ` Akshat Kumar
2011-05-13 10:14                                                         ` hiro
2011-05-13 13:30                                                         ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 13:47                                                     ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-12 18:40                                                       ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 17:56                                                     ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-12 22:22                                                       ` hiro
2011-05-10 21:47                                                     ` John Floren
2011-05-08 21:34                                             ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-09  4:53                                             ` Lucio De Re
2011-04-29  3:11                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29  5:27                             ` ron minnich
2011-04-29  9:04                               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 10:19                                 ` errno
2011-04-29 12:21                                   ` Jacob Todd
2011-04-30  4:05                                     ` errno
2011-04-30  4:22                                       ` errno
2011-04-30  6:26                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2011-04-30  8:16                                         ` errno
2011-04-30  8:25                                           ` Steve Simon
2011-04-30  9:48                                             ` errno
2011-05-05  9:55                                             ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-30 12:18                                           ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 22:21                                           ` smiley
2011-04-30 23:20                                             ` errno
2011-04-30 23:33                                               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01  0:12                                                 ` errno
2011-05-01  0:16                                                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 23:56                                           ` blstuart
2011-05-02  0:00                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02  1:42                                             ` errno
2011-05-02  1:44                                               ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02  2:29                                                 ` errno
2011-05-02  2:38                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02  3:11                                                     ` errno
2011-05-02  3:15                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02  4:09                                                         ` errno
2011-05-02  3:39                                                       ` ron minnich
2011-05-02  4:05                                                         ` Steve Simon
2011-05-02 10:38                                                   ` Salman Aljammaz
2011-05-02 11:46                                                     ` errno
2011-05-02 16:29                                                       ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 16:48                                                         ` dexen deVries
2011-05-02 11:51                                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 13:54                                           ` Jack Norton
2011-05-02 14:45                                             ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-02 16:16                                             ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-05 12:33                                           ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:48                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06  4:23                                             ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06  4:35                                               ` ron minnich
2011-05-06  6:45                                                 ` errno
2011-05-06  7:08                                                   ` ron minnich
2011-05-06  7:35                                                     ` errno
2011-05-06 15:45                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 15:59                                                       ` John Floren
2011-05-06 16:47                                                         ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 16:11                                                       ` tlaronde
2011-05-06 12:07                                                   ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 16:07                                                     ` [9fans] freedom (was Re: Compiling 9atom kernel) errno
2011-05-06 16:29                                                       ` Jack Norton
2011-05-06 17:38                                                         ` errno
2011-05-07  0:06                                                       ` errno
2011-05-07  5:01                                                       ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-07  7:36                                                         ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-16 15:02                                                         ` Steve Simon
2011-05-06  7:08                                                 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames errno
2011-05-06  7:11                                                   ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 12:59                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 16:06                                                     ` errno
2011-05-06 17:30                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 22:32                                                     ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 22:57                                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-06 23:18                                                       ` errno
2011-05-06 23:49                                                         ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 23:47                                                       ` errno
2011-05-06 23:56                                                         ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-07  0:22                                                           ` errno
2011-05-07  0:12                                                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-07  0:43                                                           ` errno
2011-05-06 13:15                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 22:34                                         ` smiley
2011-04-30 22:45                                           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01  6:54                                             ` dexen deVries
2011-05-05 12:33                                           ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:54                                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-05 20:30                                               ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-05 21:22                                                 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-05-06  5:20                                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-05-06  7:02                                                     ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-06  7:06                                                     ` errno
2011-05-05  9:55                                       ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-04 11:40                                     ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-29 12:32                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 18:39                                   ` Iruatã Souza
2011-04-29  6:06                             ` Bakul Shah
2011-04-28 20:50                         ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-04 11:40                       ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2011-05-04 11:56                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 18:33                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29  4:31                   ` smiley
2011-04-29  4:35                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 19:27                 ` Charles Forsyth

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