From: tlaronde@polynum.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 11:44:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110429094431.GA620@polynum.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201104291112.55221.dexen.devries@gmail.com>
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 11:12:55AM +0200, dexen deVries wrote:
>
> qmake (Qt's makefile generator) is mostly reasonable IMHO. consists of one
> program (the qmake) which reads a rather simple project description
> (<<myapp>>.pro) plus a bunch of platform description files
> (/usr/lib{,64}/qt/mkspec/<<platform>>/qmake.conf + whatever it includes) and
> outputs reasonable makefiles.
>
> at any rate, the supposed replacements for autoconf/automake aren't shining
> examples of engineering either -- usually big & complex. i guess it's more
> about mindset (``let's check every itty-gritty detail and let's abstract away
> differences between platforms'') than the problem space, thou.
The problem is not in the tool per se---R.I.S.K., used for KerGIS and
kerTeX (and others with no public version), is an example---but with the
programmers.
If programmers knew what they are using (C89 or C99 and that's all; or
POSIX etc.), the problem would be easily solved---these are the
cases "solved" by R.I.S.K.: programmer must know.
If the tool must "guess" what the program is using; furthermore if
for viral purpose and by "educational" repeating the wannabee
programmers are told to not care about standards, because GNU's
Not Unix and POSIX is bad, but use every chunk blessed by the GPL...
I don't know if there are black holes in the nature. But for sure mob
programming has managed to create computer ones; projects so bloated
that they are absorbing all the resources around with an emitted service
dimming more and more.
I'm finishing the integration of MetaPost in kerTeX (one auxiliary
program to fix and I can start testing), and I will have spent less time
from a very scarce free time redoing everything (distribution side) than
people trying to make TeX Live compiling for their plateform. (The
source code is the Medusa: you look at it and you are awed. That was
the aim.)
I claim this is a kind of lesson. (Same goes for GRASS -> KerGIS even if
nobody cared when I did it.)
--
Thierry Laronde <tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com>
http://www.kergis.com/
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2011-04-26 18:08 [9fans] " smiley
2011-04-26 18:42 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 18:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-26 18:52 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-26 19:31 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 19:35 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-04-27 13:10 ` Digby Tarvin
2011-04-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 13:21 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-28 9:58 ` Peter A. Cejchan
2011-04-28 12:11 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 12:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) dexen deVries
2011-04-28 13:42 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and Richard Miller
2011-04-28 14:00 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:13 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 15:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem smiley
2011-04-28 15:38 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:18 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:30 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 14:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 15:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 15:17 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 19:17 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 1:09 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 2:50 ` smiley
2011-04-30 2:55 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-26 18:43 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 2:30 ` smiley
2011-04-27 2:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 15:10 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: " smiley
2011-04-28 15:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 16:16 ` smiley
2011-04-28 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 17:23 ` smiley
2011-04-28 17:35 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-28 18:20 ` ron minnich
2011-04-28 18:50 ` Brian L. Stuart
2011-04-28 19:19 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-04-28 19:29 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 19:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 2:00 ` errno
2011-04-29 3:03 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 6:11 ` errno
2011-04-29 6:34 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 9:18 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:12 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 9:44 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:44 ` tlaronde [this message]
2011-04-29 9:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:56 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-05-05 9:54 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-08 18:27 ` tlaronde
2011-05-08 20:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-05-09 16:54 ` tlaronde
2011-05-09 17:10 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 8:34 ` hiro
2011-05-10 12:27 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-13 8:40 ` Akshat Kumar
2011-05-13 10:14 ` hiro
2011-05-13 13:30 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 13:47 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-12 18:40 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 17:56 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-12 22:22 ` hiro
2011-05-10 21:47 ` John Floren
2011-05-08 21:34 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-09 4:53 ` Lucio De Re
2011-04-29 3:11 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 5:27 ` ron minnich
2011-04-29 9:04 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 10:19 ` errno
2011-04-29 12:21 ` Jacob Todd
2011-04-30 4:05 ` errno
2011-04-30 4:22 ` errno
2011-04-30 6:26 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-04-30 8:16 ` errno
2011-04-30 8:25 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-30 9:48 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-30 12:18 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 22:21 ` smiley
2011-04-30 23:20 ` errno
2011-04-30 23:33 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 0:12 ` errno
2011-05-01 0:16 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 23:56 ` blstuart
2011-05-02 0:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 1:42 ` errno
2011-05-02 1:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 2:29 ` errno
2011-05-02 2:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 3:11 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 4:09 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:39 ` ron minnich
2011-05-02 4:05 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-02 10:38 ` Salman Aljammaz
2011-05-02 11:46 ` errno
2011-05-02 16:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 16:48 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-02 11:51 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 13:54 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-02 14:45 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-02 16:16 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:48 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 4:23 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 4:35 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 6:45 ` errno
2011-05-06 7:08 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 7:35 ` errno
2011-05-06 15:45 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 15:59 ` John Floren
2011-05-06 16:47 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 16:11 ` tlaronde
2011-05-06 12:07 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 16:07 ` [9fans] freedom (was Re: Compiling 9atom kernel) errno
2011-05-06 16:29 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-06 17:38 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:06 ` errno
2011-05-07 5:01 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-07 7:36 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-16 15:02 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-06 7:08 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames errno
2011-05-06 7:11 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 12:59 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 16:06 ` errno
2011-05-06 17:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 22:32 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 22:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-06 23:18 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:49 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 23:47 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:56 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-07 0:22 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:12 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-07 0:43 ` errno
2011-05-06 13:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 22:34 ` smiley
2011-04-30 22:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 6:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:54 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-05 20:30 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-05 21:22 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-05-06 5:20 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-05-06 7:02 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-06 7:06 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-29 12:32 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 18:39 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-04-29 6:06 ` Bakul Shah
2011-04-28 20:50 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2011-05-04 11:56 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 18:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 4:31 ` smiley
2011-04-29 4:35 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 19:27 ` Charles Forsyth
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