From: Jacob Todd <jaketodd422@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:21:12 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTinVErOPxQtOB3ObJHYWtngu1XQ0-A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201104290319.23556.errno@cox.net>
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On Apr 29, 2011 6:21 AM, "errno" <errno@cox.net> wrote:
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2011 02:04:26 AM Charles Forsyth wrote:
> > > [1] For those gnashing teeth over glibc - might want to check out
> > > musl libc. It's no plan 9 libc, but it's definitely "less worse" than
> > > glibc.
> >
> > ``News: As of version 0.7.7, musl has been successfully bootstrapped by
a
> > third-party system integrator.''
> >
> > hmm. they had to do more than just compile it?
> > a library has to be `bootstrapped'?
> > i blame the parents.
>
> Really?
>
> I think it's fair enough to say that your standard library has been
> "bootstrapped" upon the first instance of it being baked into a
> new platform as the native libc.
>
> https://github.com/chneukirchen/sabotage
>
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2011 02:18:26 AM Charles Forsyth wrote:
> > > complaining is because you _need_ linux... to furnish all the things
> > > you can't do with plan 9 - either personally, or within your
> > > organization.
> >
> > it's true, but at least i haven't got to run either Windows or MacOS.
> > the underlying problem is that the things we might simply import (mainly
> > browser) can't simply be imported. it's not just us: you might have
> > noticed that Google's Picasaweb runs under Linux by including a copy of
> > Wine as part of its iceberg. also google in any alternative-os list you
> > like for a discussion of the hopelessness of ./configure
> >
>
Afaik, google has been distributing picasa with wine for years, it doesn't
act like an intermediate solution, it seems told be their solution.
> Icebergs are justified when used as a temporary stop-gap until a native
> solution is devised and implemented. Thus, a webkit environment ("AWE")
> seems like a pretty decent compromise until Plan 9 is finally able to
treat
> the wild wild web like a first-class citizen.
>
Seeing that plan 9 doesn't have a c++ compiler, i doubt it will ever be
ported. Cinap runs opera 9, flash 7, even blender under linuxemu, though.
You might want to take a look at it. 9hal.ath.cx. you can also use vnc on
plan 9 if you 'need' to use the web.
> I have no clue how difficult it would be to port webkit to Plan 9 though,
> but I imagine it would be easier than writing a pure Plan 9 web browser
> engine (html, css, dom & ecmascript) from scratch.
>
> (I just do basic backend web programming and linux systems administration
-
> so I'm just speculating.)
>
> But then again, why would anyone want a fully functional web experience
> on Plan 9 - what would be the purpose? Apparently nobody does, otherwise
> it'd be implemented already.
>
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2011-04-26 18:08 [9fans] " smiley
2011-04-26 18:42 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 18:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-26 18:52 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-26 19:31 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 19:35 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-04-27 13:10 ` Digby Tarvin
2011-04-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 13:21 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-28 9:58 ` Peter A. Cejchan
2011-04-28 12:11 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 12:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) dexen deVries
2011-04-28 13:42 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and Richard Miller
2011-04-28 14:00 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:13 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 15:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem smiley
2011-04-28 15:38 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:18 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:30 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 14:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 15:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 15:17 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 19:17 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 1:09 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 2:50 ` smiley
2011-04-30 2:55 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-26 18:43 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 2:30 ` smiley
2011-04-27 2:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 15:10 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: " smiley
2011-04-28 15:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 16:16 ` smiley
2011-04-28 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 17:23 ` smiley
2011-04-28 17:35 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-28 18:20 ` ron minnich
2011-04-28 18:50 ` Brian L. Stuart
2011-04-28 19:19 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-04-28 19:29 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 19:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 2:00 ` errno
2011-04-29 3:03 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 6:11 ` errno
2011-04-29 6:34 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 9:18 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:12 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 9:44 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:44 ` tlaronde
2011-04-29 9:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:56 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-05-05 9:54 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-08 18:27 ` tlaronde
2011-05-08 20:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-05-09 16:54 ` tlaronde
2011-05-09 17:10 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 8:34 ` hiro
2011-05-10 12:27 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-13 8:40 ` Akshat Kumar
2011-05-13 10:14 ` hiro
2011-05-13 13:30 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 13:47 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-12 18:40 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 17:56 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-12 22:22 ` hiro
2011-05-10 21:47 ` John Floren
2011-05-08 21:34 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-09 4:53 ` Lucio De Re
2011-04-29 3:11 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 5:27 ` ron minnich
2011-04-29 9:04 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 10:19 ` errno
2011-04-29 12:21 ` Jacob Todd [this message]
2011-04-30 4:05 ` errno
2011-04-30 4:22 ` errno
2011-04-30 6:26 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-04-30 8:16 ` errno
2011-04-30 8:25 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-30 9:48 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-30 12:18 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 22:21 ` smiley
2011-04-30 23:20 ` errno
2011-04-30 23:33 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 0:12 ` errno
2011-05-01 0:16 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 23:56 ` blstuart
2011-05-02 0:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 1:42 ` errno
2011-05-02 1:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 2:29 ` errno
2011-05-02 2:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 3:11 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 4:09 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:39 ` ron minnich
2011-05-02 4:05 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-02 10:38 ` Salman Aljammaz
2011-05-02 11:46 ` errno
2011-05-02 16:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 16:48 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-02 11:51 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 13:54 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-02 14:45 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-02 16:16 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:48 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 4:23 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 4:35 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 6:45 ` errno
2011-05-06 7:08 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 7:35 ` errno
2011-05-06 15:45 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 15:59 ` John Floren
2011-05-06 16:47 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 16:11 ` tlaronde
2011-05-06 12:07 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 16:07 ` [9fans] freedom (was Re: Compiling 9atom kernel) errno
2011-05-06 16:29 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-06 17:38 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:06 ` errno
2011-05-07 5:01 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-07 7:36 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-16 15:02 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-06 7:08 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames errno
2011-05-06 7:11 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 12:59 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 16:06 ` errno
2011-05-06 17:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 22:32 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 22:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-06 23:18 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:49 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 23:47 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:56 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-07 0:22 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:12 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-07 0:43 ` errno
2011-05-06 13:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 22:34 ` smiley
2011-04-30 22:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 6:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:54 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-05 20:30 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-05 21:22 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-05-06 5:20 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-05-06 7:02 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-06 7:06 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-29 12:32 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 18:39 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-04-29 6:06 ` Bakul Shah
2011-04-28 20:50 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2011-05-04 11:56 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 18:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 4:31 ` smiley
2011-04-29 4:35 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 19:27 ` Charles Forsyth
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