From: Comeau At9Fans <comeauat9fans@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 17:34:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTik3WTgj2GBXyZP_Yw47hXfjsnM=1A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110508182753.GA18603@polynum.com>
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On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:27 PM, <tlaronde@polynum.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 05, 2011 at 09:54:28AM +0000, Greg Comeau wrote:
> >
> > Some more food for thought:
> >
> > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.
> > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
> > definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian Kernighan
> >
>
> With a caveat: when one is really clever, one finds "the shortest path
> to the truth" i.e. the simplicity; this means that really clever guys
> make programs easy to debug because these are the simplest ones doing
> the job.
>
> In Brian Kernighan's sentence, s/cleverly/sophisticatedly/ (this is
> probably a barbarism, but in french "sophistiqué" is pejorative:
> obfuscation, convoluted etc.).
I think one can usually read things into such phrases, sometimes validly
sometime invalidly. I also think it is often easy to disprove such phrases,
and so to instead to often just try to find the spirit of the phrase even if
it is found to be problematic. For instance, easy to debug could mean the
program is so riddled with problems just opening to a random part of it will
yield a problem with little effort it could also mean to the contrary that
it was written so well that any bugs could be easy to find, but equally on
the contrary the program could be such a bleeping mess that even though bug
riddled getting through the logic etc could be tormenting at best while at
the same time a clean program with few bugs can sometimes make finding "the
long bug" harder because it is the lone last one. In the end there is
often no pure bug cause or pure bug resolution mechanism but something in
the middle that is contextual. All IMO.
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2011-04-26 18:08 [9fans] " smiley
2011-04-26 18:42 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 18:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-26 18:52 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-26 19:31 ` Rob Pike
2011-04-26 19:35 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-04-27 13:10 ` Digby Tarvin
2011-04-27 13:16 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 13:21 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-28 9:58 ` Peter A. Cejchan
2011-04-28 12:11 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 12:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) dexen deVries
2011-04-28 13:42 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and Richard Miller
2011-04-28 14:00 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:13 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 15:35 ` [9fans] portable filesystem smiley
2011-04-28 15:38 ` [9fans] portable filesystem (was: spaces in filenames (and filesystems...)) Digby Tarvin
2011-04-28 14:18 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:30 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames (and filesystems...) Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 14:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 15:06 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-29 15:17 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 19:17 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 1:09 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 2:50 ` smiley
2011-04-30 2:55 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-26 18:43 ` [9fans] spaces in filenames erik quanstrom
2011-04-27 2:30 ` smiley
2011-04-27 2:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 15:10 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: " smiley
2011-04-28 15:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 16:16 ` smiley
2011-04-28 16:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 17:23 ` smiley
2011-04-28 17:35 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-28 18:20 ` ron minnich
2011-04-28 18:50 ` Brian L. Stuart
2011-04-28 19:19 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-04-28 19:29 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-28 19:39 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 2:00 ` errno
2011-04-29 3:03 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 6:11 ` errno
2011-04-29 6:34 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 9:18 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:12 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 9:44 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 9:44 ` tlaronde
2011-04-29 9:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-04-29 13:56 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-05-05 9:54 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-08 18:27 ` tlaronde
2011-05-08 20:51 ` Mathieu Lonjaret
2011-05-09 16:54 ` tlaronde
2011-05-09 17:10 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 8:34 ` hiro
2011-05-10 12:27 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-13 8:40 ` Akshat Kumar
2011-05-13 10:14 ` hiro
2011-05-13 13:30 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 13:47 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-12 18:40 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-10 17:56 ` Wes Kussmaul
2011-05-12 22:22 ` hiro
2011-05-10 21:47 ` John Floren
2011-05-08 21:34 ` Comeau At9Fans [this message]
2011-05-09 4:53 ` Lucio De Re
2011-04-29 3:11 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-04-29 5:27 ` ron minnich
2011-04-29 9:04 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-04-29 10:19 ` errno
2011-04-29 12:21 ` Jacob Todd
2011-04-30 4:05 ` errno
2011-04-30 4:22 ` errno
2011-04-30 6:26 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-04-30 8:16 ` errno
2011-04-30 8:25 ` Steve Simon
2011-04-30 9:48 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-30 12:18 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
2011-04-30 22:21 ` smiley
2011-04-30 23:20 ` errno
2011-04-30 23:33 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 0:12 ` errno
2011-05-01 0:16 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 23:56 ` blstuart
2011-05-02 0:00 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 1:42 ` errno
2011-05-02 1:44 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 2:29 ` errno
2011-05-02 2:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 3:11 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-02 4:09 ` errno
2011-05-02 3:39 ` ron minnich
2011-05-02 4:05 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-02 10:38 ` Salman Aljammaz
2011-05-02 11:46 ` errno
2011-05-02 16:29 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 16:48 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-02 11:51 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-02 13:54 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-02 14:45 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-02 16:16 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:48 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 4:23 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 4:35 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 6:45 ` errno
2011-05-06 7:08 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 7:35 ` errno
2011-05-06 15:45 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 15:59 ` John Floren
2011-05-06 16:47 ` Bakul Shah
2011-05-06 16:11 ` tlaronde
2011-05-06 12:07 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-06 16:07 ` [9fans] freedom (was Re: Compiling 9atom kernel) errno
2011-05-06 16:29 ` Jack Norton
2011-05-06 17:38 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:06 ` errno
2011-05-07 5:01 ` Lucio De Re
2011-05-07 7:36 ` Daniel Lyons
2011-05-16 15:02 ` Steve Simon
2011-05-06 7:08 ` [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames errno
2011-05-06 7:11 ` ron minnich
2011-05-06 12:59 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 16:06 ` errno
2011-05-06 17:30 ` erik quanstrom
2011-05-06 22:32 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 22:57 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-06 23:18 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:49 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-06 23:47 ` errno
2011-05-06 23:56 ` Comeau At9Fans
2011-05-07 0:22 ` errno
2011-05-07 0:12 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-07 0:43 ` errno
2011-05-06 13:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-30 22:34 ` smiley
2011-04-30 22:45 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2011-05-01 6:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-05-05 12:33 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-05 12:54 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-05-05 20:30 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-05 21:22 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-05-06 5:20 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-05-06 7:02 ` Gorka Guardiola
2011-05-06 7:06 ` errno
2011-05-05 9:55 ` Greg Comeau
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Greg Comeau
2011-04-29 12:32 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 18:39 ` Iruatã Souza
2011-04-29 6:06 ` Bakul Shah
2011-04-28 20:50 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-05-04 11:40 ` Balwinder S Dheeman
2011-05-04 11:56 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 18:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-29 4:31 ` smiley
2011-04-29 4:35 ` erik quanstrom
2011-04-28 19:27 ` Charles Forsyth
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