From: smiley@zenzebra.mv.com
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 00:28:16 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86zkqf46vz.fsf@cmarib.ramside> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin66np3zUfTewfPYX5fcRDSoPV=ufWEvrxCGejt@mail.gmail.com> (ron minnich's message of "Tue, 1 Feb 2011 10:33:40 -0800")
ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> writes:
>>However, the Plan 9 code (at last that under /sys/src/cmd)
>> doesn't seem to make use of iterators, string objects (or even
>> object-orientation), modern string parsing routines, etc.
>
> There's a reason it does not use that stuff, and it may not be what
> you think.
OK, come on already, quit teasing me! :) What's the secret reason?
> That said, why are you thinking in terms of writing in C anyway?
Because Plan 9 only has a C compiler?
> I don't see how macro foo is going to make things all that much
> better. You're still stuck with C.
Yes, but C macros can be used to approximate higher-level language
constructs such as objects, iterators (Java style or Ruby style, though
I'm focusing only on the latter), throw/catch clauses, and so on.
> Actually, Plan 9 kernel is palpably object-oriented in a very real
> sense, if you consider the whole. The plan 9 devices and servers are
I'll first repeat a previous comment of mine for purposes of disclaimer:
I haven't even LOOKED at ANY of the Plan 9 kernel code, yet...
Architecturally, the Plan 9 operating system appears to be leading-edge,
modern, elegant, and generally kick-ass.
How that architecture is IMPLEMENTED, however, is an entirely different
story. The wonderfully modern architecture of the OS looks like it's
been implemented using wonderfully ancient methods.
BTW, I should mention how I impressed I am by the quality of the
discussion on this list. There are obviously a lot of smart people on
this OS. :)
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2011-01-29 22:47 [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk smiley
2011-01-29 22:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-29 22:58 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 1:16 ` smiley
2011-01-30 4:07 ` John Floren
2011-01-30 4:49 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-30 4:56 ` John Floren
2011-02-01 6:22 ` smiley
2011-02-01 6:47 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 6:54 ` John Floren
2011-01-29 23:24 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: " smiley
2011-01-29 23:41 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 14:19 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Richard Miller
2011-01-30 14:28 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-31 18:02 ` smiley
2011-01-31 22:12 ` Steve Simon
2011-02-01 6:02 ` smiley
2011-02-01 6:26 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 7:07 ` smiley
2011-02-01 7:22 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 13:45 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:24 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01 6:45 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 17:51 ` smiley
2011-02-01 18:33 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 19:16 ` jimmy frasche
2011-02-02 0:28 ` smiley [this message]
2011-02-02 0:42 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 0:47 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02 5:14 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: " smiley
2011-02-02 5:37 ` Scott Sullivan
2011-02-02 5:38 ` EBo
2011-02-02 15:54 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-02-02 12:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 13:48 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-02 17:47 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:53 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:07 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 18:26 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:48 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 19:26 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-03 0:39 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-02 17:44 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:50 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:15 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:36 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:46 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:15 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 19:31 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 19:48 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-02-02 20:07 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 20:11 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 20:22 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 10:00 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-02 18:03 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:30 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 5:23 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 5:34 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-02-18 13:29 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 13:45 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 14:54 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 15:15 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:11 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 16:28 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:49 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:10 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:32 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:44 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 19:28 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 19:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:49 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 18:43 ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-18 17:05 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-18 17:12 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:53 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 16:59 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:07 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:11 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:52 ` John Floren
2011-02-18 18:46 ` Rob Pike
2011-02-18 19:15 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 19:26 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:46 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 20:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 21:06 ` John Floren
2011-02-18 22:21 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 23:39 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-02-19 10:26 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Steve Simon
2011-02-19 15:09 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 20:09 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-19 21:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-20 23:49 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-21 14:47 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 16:57 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-19 15:36 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-24 10:09 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:35 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely David Leimbach
2011-02-18 20:10 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 21:03 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 23:55 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-24 10:09 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:15 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-21 5:08 ` smiley
2011-02-18 17:16 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-18 17:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-19 10:34 ` Steve Simon
2011-02-19 17:25 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-02 4:19 ` [9fans] " Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:15 ` smiley
2011-02-02 21:47 ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 3:35 ` smiley
2011-02-03 4:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-03 6:15 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 7:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 9:48 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 13:01 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 13:40 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 13:59 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:16 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:17 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:24 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:38 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 18:45 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-03 16:23 ` Noah Evans
2011-02-01 8:25 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 8:37 ` Akshat Kumar
2011-02-01 9:02 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 14:11 ` erik quanstrom
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2011-02-01 14:49 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 14:58 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:18 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 15:37 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:45 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:31 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 16:45 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:59 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02 3:46 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 16:41 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01 7:01 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:05 ` smiley
2011-02-03 10:16 ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:24 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:27 ` dexen deVries
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