From: Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:09:01 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110219200901.575D75B63@mail.bitblocks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:09:08 EST." <0ae086afeb91d54fac0fc361d993f5a0@ladd.quanstro.net>
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:09:08 EST erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> > It is inherent to 9p (and RPC).
>
> please defend this. i don't see any evidence for this bald claim.
We went over latency issues multiple times in the past but
let us take your 80ms latency. You can get 12.5 rpc calls
through in 1 sec even if you take 0 seconds to generate &
process each request & response. If each call transfers 64K,
at most you get a throughput of 800KB/sec. If you pipeline
your requests, without waiting for each reply, you are using
streaming. To avoid `streaming' you can setup N parallel
connections but that is again adding a lot of complexity to a
relatively simple problem.
> > I think it is worth looking at a successor protocol instead
> > of just minimally fixing up 9p (a clean slate approach frees
> > up your mind. You can then merge the two later).
>
> what is the goal?
Better handling of latency at a minimum? If I were to do
this I would experiment with extending the channel concept.
> without a clear problem to solve that you
> can build a system around, i don't see the point. making replica
> fast doesn't seem like sufficient motivation to me at all.
No. I just use Ron's hg repo now.
> 2. at cross-u.s. latencies of 80ms, serial file operations like
> mk can be painful. if bringing the work to the data doesn't work
> or still takes too many rtts, the only solution i see is to cache everything.
> and try to manage coherence vs. latency.
For things like remote copy of a whole bunch of files caching
is not going to help you much but streaming will. So will
increasing parllelism (upto a point). Compression might.
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2011-01-29 22:47 [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk smiley
2011-01-29 22:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-29 22:58 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 1:16 ` smiley
2011-01-30 4:07 ` John Floren
2011-01-30 4:49 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-30 4:56 ` John Floren
2011-02-01 6:22 ` smiley
2011-02-01 6:47 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 6:54 ` John Floren
2011-01-29 23:24 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: " smiley
2011-01-29 23:41 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 14:19 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Richard Miller
2011-01-30 14:28 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-31 18:02 ` smiley
2011-01-31 22:12 ` Steve Simon
2011-02-01 6:02 ` smiley
2011-02-01 6:26 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 7:07 ` smiley
2011-02-01 7:22 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 13:45 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:24 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01 6:45 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 17:51 ` smiley
2011-02-01 18:33 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 19:16 ` jimmy frasche
2011-02-02 0:28 ` smiley
2011-02-02 0:42 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 0:47 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02 5:14 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: " smiley
2011-02-02 5:37 ` Scott Sullivan
2011-02-02 5:38 ` EBo
2011-02-02 15:54 ` Anthony Sorace
2011-02-02 12:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 13:48 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-02 17:47 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:53 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:07 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 18:26 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:48 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 19:26 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-03 0:39 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-02 17:44 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:50 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:15 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:36 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:46 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:15 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 19:31 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 19:48 ` Jeff Sickel
2011-02-02 20:07 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 20:11 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 20:22 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 10:00 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-02 18:03 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:30 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 5:23 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 5:34 ` Paul Lalonde
2011-02-18 13:29 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 13:45 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 14:54 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 15:15 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:11 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 16:28 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:49 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:10 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:32 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:44 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 19:28 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 19:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:49 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 18:43 ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-18 17:05 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-18 17:12 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:53 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 16:59 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:07 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:11 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:52 ` John Floren
2011-02-18 18:46 ` Rob Pike
2011-02-18 19:15 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 19:26 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:46 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 20:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 21:06 ` John Floren
2011-02-18 22:21 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 23:39 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-02-19 10:26 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Steve Simon
2011-02-19 15:09 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 20:09 ` Bakul Shah [this message]
2011-02-19 21:15 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-20 23:49 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-21 14:47 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 16:57 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-19 15:36 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-24 10:09 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:35 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely David Leimbach
2011-02-18 20:10 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 21:03 ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 23:55 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-24 10:09 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:15 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-21 5:08 ` smiley
2011-02-18 17:16 ` Russ Cox
2011-02-18 17:12 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-19 10:34 ` Steve Simon
2011-02-19 17:25 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-02 4:19 ` [9fans] " Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:15 ` smiley
2011-02-02 21:47 ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 3:35 ` smiley
2011-02-03 4:32 ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-03 6:15 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 7:54 ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 9:48 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 13:01 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 13:40 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 13:59 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:16 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:17 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:24 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:38 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 18:45 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-03 16:23 ` Noah Evans
2011-02-01 8:25 ` Federico G. Benavento
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2011-02-01 9:02 ` Federico G. Benavento
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2011-02-01 16:45 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:59 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02 3:46 ` Federico G. Benavento
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2011-02-01 16:25 ` Charles Forsyth
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2011-02-03 10:16 ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered Richard Miller
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2011-02-03 10:23 ` Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:37 ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 10:48 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02 6:56 [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Jacob Todd
2011-02-02 7:06 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02 7:25 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-02 7:25 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02 7:35 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-02 17:45 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:19 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 0:30 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 0:21 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 0:52 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 0:50 ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 2:16 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 2:25 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 2:26 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 15:08 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 16:19 ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2011-02-03 17:41 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:11 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:33 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 19:40 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 20:33 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-04 7:16 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-04 14:38 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:29 ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-03 8:35 ` Charles Forsyth
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2011-02-03 9:50 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 10:38 ` C H Forsyth
2011-02-03 12:07 ` EBo
2011-02-03 20:49 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-03 21:07 ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 21:32 ` Steve Simon
2011-02-03 23:19 ` EBo
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