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From: Anthony Sorace <a@9srv.net>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re:  RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely
Date: Wed,  2 Feb 2011 10:54:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <A7580586-90F5-4864-9EA8-6D3386CB8836@9srv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2c8eb0725004f14c446c41602ab4e08d@swcp.com>

Just to address the unanswered Limbo questions:
The only Limbo compilers extant compile to a portable bytecode for the Dis virtual machine. The only first-class Dis implementation is built into Inferno. Dis can be either interpreted or just-in-time compiled. The historical claim was a that the JIT gave performance about 1.5x slower than compiled C, although I've not seen that benchmarked in about a decade. Years ago, Russ did a sort of first draft of getting Dis to run directly under Plan 9 (which I believe is still available), and I have some vague recollection of someone extending that a bit.

Limbo remains my favorite language to write in, but given Go's surprisingly rapid uptake and current momentum, I somewhat suspect the community would be better served by assisting in those porting efforts.

As an aside, the comments about Alef's demise aren't really relevant. Alef had no significant development community outside the Labs, only ran on one other platform afaik, and all the work to support it had to be done by the same group doing "core" Plan 9. A community-provided port of a language with an existing language with its own community wouldn't fit those circumstances.

Anthony


  reply	other threads:[~2011-02-02 15:54 UTC|newest]

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2011-01-29 22:47 [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk smiley
2011-01-29 22:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-29 22:58 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30  1:16   ` smiley
2011-01-30  4:07     ` John Floren
2011-01-30  4:49       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-30  4:56         ` John Floren
2011-02-01  6:22       ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:47         ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  6:54           ` John Floren
2011-01-29 23:24 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: " smiley
2011-01-29 23:41   ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 14:19     ` [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Richard Miller
2011-01-30 14:28       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-31 18:02       ` smiley
2011-01-31 22:12         ` Steve Simon
2011-02-01  6:02           ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:26             ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01  7:07               ` smiley
2011-02-01  7:22                 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 13:45                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:24                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  6:45             ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 17:51               ` smiley
2011-02-01 18:33                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 19:16                   ` jimmy frasche
2011-02-02  0:28                   ` smiley
2011-02-02  0:42                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02  0:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  5:14                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: " smiley
2011-02-02  5:37                         ` Scott Sullivan
2011-02-02  5:38                         ` EBo
2011-02-02 15:54                           ` Anthony Sorace [this message]
2011-02-02 12:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 13:48                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-02 17:47                           ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:53                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:07                             ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 18:26                               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:48                                 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 19:26                                   ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-03  0:39                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-02 17:44                         ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:15                             ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:36                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:38                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:46                                     ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:15                                 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 19:31                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 19:48                                     ` Jeff Sickel
2011-02-02 20:07                                     ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 20:11                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 20:22                                         ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 10:00                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-02 18:03                           ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:30                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18  5:23                         ` ron minnich
2011-02-18  5:34                           ` Paul Lalonde
2011-02-18 13:29                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 13:45                               ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 14:54                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 15:15                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:11                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 16:28                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:49                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:10                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:32                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:44                                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 19:28                                               ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 19:33                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 18:43                                         ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-18 17:05                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-18 17:12                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:53                                   ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 16:59                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:07                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:11                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:21                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:52                                             ` John Floren
2011-02-18 18:46                                               ` Rob Pike
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 19:26                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:46                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 20:15                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 21:06                                                         ` John Floren
2011-02-18 22:21                                                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 23:39                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-02-19 10:26                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Steve Simon
2011-02-19 15:09                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 20:09                                                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-19 21:15                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-20 23:49                                                                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-21 14:47                                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 16:57                                                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-19 15:36                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:35                                                   ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely David Leimbach
2011-02-18 20:10                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 21:03                                                       ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 23:55                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-21  5:08                                                   ` smiley
2011-02-18 17:16                                         ` Russ Cox
2011-02-18 17:12                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-19 10:34                                   ` Steve Simon
2011-02-19 17:25                                     ` dexen deVries
2011-02-02  4:19                 ` [9fans] " Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:15                   ` smiley
2011-02-02 21:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  3:35                       ` smiley
2011-02-03  4:32                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-03  6:15                         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03  7:54                         ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03  9:48                           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 13:01                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 13:40                               ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 13:59                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:16                                   ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:17                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:24                                       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:38                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 18:45                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-03 16:23                     ` Noah Evans
2011-02-01  8:25             ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  8:37             ` Akshat Kumar
2011-02-01  9:02               ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 14:11             ` erik quanstrom
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2011-02-01 17:20                               ` Jacob Todd
2011-02-01  6:54 ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk ron minnich
2011-02-01 14:49   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 14:58     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:18       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 15:37         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:45           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:31             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 16:45               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:59                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  3:46                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 16:41     ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 16:25   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  7:01 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:05   ` smiley
2011-02-03 10:16     ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:24       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:27       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:23     ` Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:37       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 10:48         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  6:56 [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Jacob Todd
2011-02-02  7:06 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  7:35 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-02 17:45   ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:19     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  0:30       ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:21         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03  0:52           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:50             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  2:16             ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  2:25               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03  2:26               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 15:08                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 16:19                   ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2011-02-03 17:41                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 19:40                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 20:33                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-04  7:16                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-04 14:38                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:29                     ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-03  8:35               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  8:56                 ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:46                   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  9:47                     ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:50                       ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 10:38                       ` C H Forsyth
2011-02-03 12:07                         ` EBo
2011-02-03 20:49                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-03 21:07                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 21:32                               ` Steve Simon
2011-02-03 23:19                                 ` EBo
2011-02-03 18:21                       ` smiley
2011-02-03 18:50                         ` John Floren
2011-02-04  5:54       ` andrey mirtchovski

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