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From: "Devon H. O'Dell" <devon.odell@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:49:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoSHO+7Qs7QxtupJ0jCaQtR5jvwiSGkRatSTB2@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1dd08bfb28f195e8673b3bc55198f711@ladd.quanstro.net>

2011/2/18 erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>:
>> DKIM), etc., it's just not really feasible on commodity hardware. (Of
>> course, these days, operating systems and RAID controllers with
>> battery-backed caches make it impossible to guarantee that your
>> message ever ends up in persistent storage, but that's still a small
>
> bb cache is persistent storage.

My bad, indeed. :-).

Still, modern filesystems still raise questions as to whether the data
even winds up there. Modern data stores (like Mongo) raise questions
as to whether the data makes it to VFS. "We" make a lot of assumptions
about quite volatile systems in the name of performance. And that's
usually ok, until it isn't. It's kind of an addendum to Rob's point,
actually: you can quite easily decrease the reliability / efficacy /
correctness of your implementation without (or with!) the right
information.

And of course, there's also something to be said for eeking
performance out of a system that can't perform because it's poorly
designed. (I'm looking at you, Twitter.) The amount of resources they
have and the amount of downtime they have are really quite
extraordinary. For their popularity, you'd really expect to see an
inverse correlation in one way or the other.

I think I've digressed further from the original point discussed
(which wasn't even the original topic) and contributed way more than I
intended to, though. Food for thought.

--dho

> - erik
>
>



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Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-29 22:47 [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk smiley
2011-01-29 22:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-29 22:58 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30  1:16   ` smiley
2011-01-30  4:07     ` John Floren
2011-01-30  4:49       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-30  4:56         ` John Floren
2011-02-01  6:22       ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:47         ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  6:54           ` John Floren
2011-01-29 23:24 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: " smiley
2011-01-29 23:41   ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 14:19     ` [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Richard Miller
2011-01-30 14:28       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-31 18:02       ` smiley
2011-01-31 22:12         ` Steve Simon
2011-02-01  6:02           ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:26             ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01  7:07               ` smiley
2011-02-01  7:22                 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 13:45                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:24                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  6:45             ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 17:51               ` smiley
2011-02-01 18:33                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 19:16                   ` jimmy frasche
2011-02-02  0:28                   ` smiley
2011-02-02  0:42                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02  0:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  5:14                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: " smiley
2011-02-02  5:37                         ` Scott Sullivan
2011-02-02  5:38                         ` EBo
2011-02-02 15:54                           ` Anthony Sorace
2011-02-02 12:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 13:48                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-02 17:47                           ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:53                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:07                             ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 18:26                               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:48                                 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 19:26                                   ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-03  0:39                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-02 17:44                         ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:15                             ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:36                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:38                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:46                                     ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:15                                 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 19:31                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 19:48                                     ` Jeff Sickel
2011-02-02 20:07                                     ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 20:11                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 20:22                                         ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 10:00                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-02 18:03                           ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:30                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18  5:23                         ` ron minnich
2011-02-18  5:34                           ` Paul Lalonde
2011-02-18 13:29                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 13:45                               ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 14:54                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 15:15                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:11                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 16:28                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:49                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:10                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:32                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:44                                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 19:28                                               ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 19:33                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell [this message]
2011-02-18 18:43                                         ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-18 17:05                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-18 17:12                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:53                                   ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 16:59                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:07                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:11                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:21                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:52                                             ` John Floren
2011-02-18 18:46                                               ` Rob Pike
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 19:26                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:46                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 20:15                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 21:06                                                         ` John Floren
2011-02-18 22:21                                                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 23:39                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-02-19 10:26                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Steve Simon
2011-02-19 15:09                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 20:09                                                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-19 21:15                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-20 23:49                                                                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-21 14:47                                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 16:57                                                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-19 15:36                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:35                                                   ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely David Leimbach
2011-02-18 20:10                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 21:03                                                       ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 23:55                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-21  5:08                                                   ` smiley
2011-02-18 17:16                                         ` Russ Cox
2011-02-18 17:12                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-19 10:34                                   ` Steve Simon
2011-02-19 17:25                                     ` dexen deVries
2011-02-02  4:19                 ` [9fans] " Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:15                   ` smiley
2011-02-02 21:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  3:35                       ` smiley
2011-02-03  4:32                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-03  6:15                         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03  7:54                         ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03  9:48                           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 13:01                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 13:40                               ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 13:59                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:16                                   ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:17                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:24                                       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:38                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 18:45                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-03 16:23                     ` Noah Evans
2011-02-01  8:25             ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  8:37             ` Akshat Kumar
2011-02-01  9:02               ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 14:11             ` erik quanstrom
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2011-02-01 17:20                               ` Jacob Todd
2011-02-01  6:54 ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk ron minnich
2011-02-01 14:49   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 14:58     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:18       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 15:37         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:45           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:31             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 16:45               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:59                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  3:46                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 16:41     ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 16:25   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  7:01 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:05   ` smiley
2011-02-03 10:16     ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:24       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:27       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:23     ` Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:37       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 10:48         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  6:56 [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Jacob Todd
2011-02-02  7:06 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  7:35 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-02 17:45   ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:19     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  0:30       ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:21         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03  0:52           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:50             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  2:16             ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  2:25               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03  2:26               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 15:08                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 16:19                   ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2011-02-03 17:41                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 19:40                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 20:33                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-04  7:16                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-04 14:38                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:29                     ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-03  8:35               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  8:56                 ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:46                   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  9:47                     ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:50                       ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 10:38                       ` C H Forsyth
2011-02-03 12:07                         ` EBo
2011-02-03 20:49                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-03 21:07                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 21:32                               ` Steve Simon
2011-02-03 23:19                                 ` EBo
2011-02-03 18:21                       ` smiley
2011-02-03 18:50                         ` John Floren
2011-02-04  5:54       ` andrey mirtchovski

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