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From: Jonathan Cast <jonathanccast@fastmail.fm>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely
Date: Wed,  2 Feb 2011 12:07:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1296677254.17627.78.camel@jcast-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1b02265d72d36587244181d64c04e8e0@brasstown.quanstro.net>

On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 14:31 -0500, erik quanstrom wrote:
> > I don't follow.  Garbage collection certainly can be done in a library
> > (e.g., Boehm).  GC is in my experience normally triggered by
> >
> >       * Allocation --- which is a function call in C
> >       * Explicit call to the `garbage collect now' entry point in the
> >         standard library.  A function call in every language.
> >
> > What other events canonically would trigger garbage collection, but not
> > be invoked by function calls?
>
> i should have said automatic garbage collection.

> i think of it this way, the janitor doesn't insist that the factory shut
> down so he can sweep.  he waits for the factory to be idle, and then
> sweeps.

I think factory owners get pretty upset when their factories idle.

I still think the program needs to call into the threading library
(whether you call it part of the RTS or not) to idle.  So the only
benefit you have is that putting threading and the garbage collector
into the RTS allows you to ignore the abstraction barriers between the
two systems, which makes it easier for the thread system to signal the
garbage collector.  I mean, if the thread does this (making up syntax on
the spot):

        start := now();
        while (now() < start + 2hours);

You don't expect GC to be able to trigger, right?

jcc





  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-02 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 192+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-29 22:47 [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk smiley
2011-01-29 22:54 ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-29 22:58 ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30  1:16   ` smiley
2011-01-30  4:07     ` John Floren
2011-01-30  4:49       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-30  4:56         ` John Floren
2011-02-01  6:22       ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:47         ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  6:54           ` John Floren
2011-01-29 23:24 ` [9fans] RESOLVED: " smiley
2011-01-29 23:41   ` Steve Simon
2011-01-30 14:19     ` [9fans] RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Richard Miller
2011-01-30 14:28       ` erik quanstrom
2011-01-31 18:02       ` smiley
2011-01-31 22:12         ` Steve Simon
2011-02-01  6:02           ` smiley
2011-02-01  6:26             ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01  7:07               ` smiley
2011-02-01  7:22                 ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-01 13:45                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:24                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  6:45             ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 17:51               ` smiley
2011-02-01 18:33                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 19:16                   ` jimmy frasche
2011-02-02  0:28                   ` smiley
2011-02-02  0:42                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02  0:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  5:14                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: " smiley
2011-02-02  5:37                         ` Scott Sullivan
2011-02-02  5:38                         ` EBo
2011-02-02 15:54                           ` Anthony Sorace
2011-02-02 12:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 13:48                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-02 17:47                           ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:53                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:07                             ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 18:26                               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:48                                 ` tlaronde
2011-02-02 19:26                                   ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-03  0:39                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-02 17:44                         ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 17:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:15                             ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:36                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 18:38                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:46                                     ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:15                                 ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 19:31                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 19:48                                     ` Jeff Sickel
2011-02-02 20:07                                     ` Jonathan Cast [this message]
2011-02-02 20:11                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 20:22                                         ` Jonathan Cast
2011-02-02 18:21                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 10:00                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-02 18:03                           ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely erik quanstrom
2011-02-02 18:30                             ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18  5:23                         ` ron minnich
2011-02-18  5:34                           ` Paul Lalonde
2011-02-18 13:29                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 13:45                               ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 14:54                                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-18 15:15                                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:11                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 16:28                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:49                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:10                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:32                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:44                                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 19:28                                               ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 19:33                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:49                                                   ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 18:43                                         ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-18 17:05                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-18 17:12                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 16:53                                   ` dexen deVries
2011-02-18 16:59                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:07                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:11                                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-18 17:21                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 17:52                                             ` John Floren
2011-02-18 18:46                                               ` Rob Pike
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 19:26                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 19:46                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 20:15                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-18 21:06                                                         ` John Floren
2011-02-18 22:21                                                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 23:39                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2011-02-19 10:26                                                             ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Steve Simon
2011-02-19 15:09                                                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 20:09                                                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-19 21:15                                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-20 23:49                                                                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-21 14:47                                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-19 16:57                                                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-19 15:36                                                           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:35                                                   ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely David Leimbach
2011-02-18 20:10                                                     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-18 21:03                                                       ` ron minnich
2011-02-18 23:55                                                     ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-24 10:09                                                       ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, Greg Comeau
2011-02-18 19:15                                                 ` [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Devon H. O'Dell
2011-02-21  5:08                                                   ` smiley
2011-02-18 17:16                                         ` Russ Cox
2011-02-18 17:12                                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-19 10:34                                   ` Steve Simon
2011-02-19 17:25                                     ` dexen deVries
2011-02-02  4:19                 ` [9fans] " Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:15                   ` smiley
2011-02-02 21:47                     ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  3:35                       ` smiley
2011-02-03  4:32                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2011-02-03  6:15                         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03  7:54                         ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03  9:48                           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 13:01                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 13:40                               ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 13:59                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:16                                   ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:17                                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 14:24                                       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 14:38                                     ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03 18:45                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2011-02-03 16:23                     ` Noah Evans
2011-02-01  8:25             ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01  8:37             ` Akshat Kumar
2011-02-01  9:02               ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 14:11             ` erik quanstrom
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2011-02-01 17:20                               ` Jacob Todd
2011-02-01  6:54 ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered by mk ron minnich
2011-02-01 14:49   ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 14:58     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:18       ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 15:37         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 15:45           ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:31             ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2011-02-01 16:45               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-01 16:59                 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  3:46                   ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-01 16:41     ` ron minnich
2011-02-01 16:25   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-01  7:01 ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-02 19:05   ` smiley
2011-02-03 10:16     ` [9fans] HELP: recoving important header file rudely clobbered Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:24       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:27       ` dexen deVries
2011-02-03 10:23     ` Richard Miller
2011-02-03 10:37       ` roger peppe
2011-02-03 10:48         ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  6:56 [9fans] Modern development language for Plan 9, WAS: Re: RESOLVED: recoving important header file rudely Jacob Todd
2011-02-02  7:06 ` ron minnich
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-02  7:25   ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-02  7:35 ` Nick LaForge
2011-02-02 17:45   ` David Leimbach
2011-02-02 19:19     ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  0:30       ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:21         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03  0:52           ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  0:50             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03  2:16             ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03  2:25               ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03  2:26               ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 15:08                 ` David Leimbach
2011-02-03 16:19                   ` Eugene Gorodinsky
2011-02-03 17:41                   ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 18:54                         ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 19:40                           ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-03 20:33                             ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-04  7:16                               ` Bakul Shah
2011-02-04 14:38                                 ` erik quanstrom
2011-02-03 18:29                     ` Joseph Stewart
2011-02-03  8:35               ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  8:56                 ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:46                   ` Charles Forsyth
2011-02-03  9:47                     ` EBo
2011-02-03  9:50                       ` Lucio De Re
2011-02-03 10:38                       ` C H Forsyth
2011-02-03 12:07                         ` EBo
2011-02-03 20:49                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2011-02-03 21:07                             ` ron minnich
2011-02-03 21:32                               ` Steve Simon
2011-02-03 23:19                                 ` EBo
2011-02-03 18:21                       ` smiley
2011-02-03 18:50                         ` John Floren
2011-02-04  5:54       ` andrey mirtchovski

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