* Re: TeX
@ 2018-02-14 1:59 Lyndon Nerenberg
2018-02-14 9:15 ` [9front] TeX Steve Simon
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From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2018-02-14 1:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
> Based on the man pages, it looks like 2ed shipped with it:
Oh, it might have. Two decades ago ... my memory is a bit fuzzy.
I have the 2ed sources, but they are on an ATA disk that stopped spinning
up a few years ago, so I can't check.
But 20 years later, there is no TeX, so the manpages should be updated.
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-14 1:59 TeX Lyndon Nerenberg
@ 2018-02-14 9:15 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-18 6:55 ` Matthew Veety
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From: Steve Simon @ 2018-02-14 9:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
why mot have tex(1) manpage which states that rex is not included by default but gives a weblink for a recommended tex package, e.g. kertex, which is tested on an9.
this manpage would then be overwritten by the tex installation.
everyone happy (unlikely)
-Steve
On 14 Feb 2018, at 01:59, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote:
>> Based on the man pages, it looks like 2ed shipped with it:
>
> Oh, it might have. Two decades ago ... my memory is a bit fuzzy.
>
> I have the 2ed sources, but they are on an ATA disk that stopped spinning up a few years ago, so I can't check.
>
> But 20 years later, there is no TeX, so the manpages should be updated.
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-14 9:15 ` [9front] TeX Steve Simon
@ 2018-02-18 6:55 ` Matthew Veety
2018-02-18 12:04 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-18 14:12 ` hiro
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From: Matthew Veety @ 2018-02-18 6:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 09:15:25 Steve Simon wrote:
> why mot have tex(1) manpage which states that rex is not included by default
> but gives a weblink for a recommended tex package, e.g. kertex, which is
> tested on an9.
>
> this manpage would then be overwritten by the tex installation.
>
> everyone happy (unlikely)
>
> -Steve
If someone makes a port for some TeX package that does this I would be okay
with it. Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it, the references
really just should be nuked. If a package doesn't ship with 9front it
shouldn't be in they system's manpages.
--
Veety
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-18 6:55 ` Matthew Veety
@ 2018-02-18 12:04 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-18 19:56 ` Sean Hinchee
2018-02-19 4:32 ` Matthew Veety
2018-02-18 14:12 ` hiro
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From: Steve Simon @ 2018-02-18 12:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
but someone did, kertex!
> On 18 Feb 2018, at 06:55, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 09:15:25 Steve Simon wrote:
>> why mot have tex(1) manpage which states that rex is not included by default
>> but gives a weblink for a recommended tex package, e.g. kertex, which is
>> tested on an9.
>>
>> this manpage would then be overwritten by the tex installation.
>>
>> everyone happy (unlikely)
>>
>> -Steve
>
> If someone makes a port for some TeX package that does this I would be okay
> with it. Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it, the references
> really just should be nuked. If a package doesn't ship with 9front it
> shouldn't be in they system's manpages.
>
> --
> Veety
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-18 12:04 ` Steve Simon
@ 2018-02-18 19:56 ` Sean Hinchee
2018-02-19 4:32 ` Matthew Veety
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From: Sean Hinchee @ 2018-02-18 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
I started this mess and I'm sorry for that. Although it's not perfect, I
took the package kurt linked (tex.iso.bz2) and have adjusted the build a
bit and it is now stuffed in ports. Like steve said, there is also kertex.
Cheers,
Sean
On 02/18/2018 06:04 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> but someone did, kertex!
>
>
>> On 18 Feb 2018, at 06:55, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 09:15:25 Steve Simon wrote:
>>> why mot have tex(1) manpage which states that rex is not included by default
>>> but gives a weblink for a recommended tex package, e.g. kertex, which is
>>> tested on an9.
>>>
>>> this manpage would then be overwritten by the tex installation.
>>>
>>> everyone happy (unlikely)
>>>
>>> -Steve
>>
>> If someone makes a port for some TeX package that does this I would be okay
>> with it. Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it, the references
>> really just should be nuked. If a package doesn't ship with 9front it
>> shouldn't be in they system's manpages.
>>
>> --
>> Veety
>
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-18 12:04 ` Steve Simon
2018-02-18 19:56 ` Sean Hinchee
@ 2018-02-19 4:32 ` Matthew Veety
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From: Matthew Veety @ 2018-02-19 4:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
On Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:04:13 Steve Simon wrote:
> but someone did, kertex!
>
> > On 18 Feb 2018, at 06:55, Matthew Veety <mveety@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 09:15:25 Steve Simon wrote:
> >> why mot have tex(1) manpage which states that rex is not included by
> >> default but gives a weblink for a recommended tex package, e.g. kertex,
> >> which is tested on an9.
> >>
> >> this manpage would then be overwritten by the tex installation.
> >>
> >> everyone happy (unlikely)
> >>
> >> -Steve
> >
> > If someone makes a port for some TeX package that does this I would be
> > okay
> > with it. Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it, the
> > references
> > really just should be nuked. If a package doesn't ship with 9front it
> > shouldn't be in they system's manpages.
I mean added to the ports tree.
--
Veety
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-18 6:55 ` Matthew Veety
2018-02-18 12:04 ` Steve Simon
@ 2018-02-18 14:12 ` hiro
2018-02-18 17:18 ` Steve Simon
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From: hiro @ 2018-02-18 14:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
> Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it
What entitles you to think that?
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-18 14:12 ` hiro
@ 2018-02-18 17:18 ` Steve Simon
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From: Steve Simon @ 2018-02-18 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
do i need some form of entitlement to think?
i always regarded myself as empowered to think anything i like, by virtue of my existence as a sentient being..
unless you are telling me this is all a nightmare, and in the real world plan9 is the dominant operating system, following linus and bill’s acceptance of its clear superiority.
who knows, existentialism is hard to disprove.
-Steve
On 18 Feb 2018, at 14:12, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Knowing that certainly won't happen unless I do it
>
> What entitles you to think that?
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
@ 2018-02-14 2:23 sl
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From: sl @ 2018-02-14 2:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
>> Based on the man pages, it looks like 2ed shipped with it:
>
> Oh, it might have. Two decades ago ... my memory is a bit fuzzy.
>
> I have the 2ed sources, but they are on an ATA disk that stopped spinning
> up a few years ago, so I can't check.
>
> But 20 years later, there is no TeX, so the manpages should be updated.
I agree, I was just interested in tracking down where the references
came from. 2ed seems likely.
sl
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
@ 2018-02-19 23:26 sl
2018-02-20 9:04 ` Julius Schmidt
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From: sl @ 2018-02-19 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
> do i need some form of entitlement to think?
This has been debated in academia for decades. To some extent,
privilege is the time and space to think.
sl
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-19 23:26 sl
@ 2018-02-20 9:04 ` Julius Schmidt
2018-02-20 13:22 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
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From: Julius Schmidt @ 2018-02-20 9:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
I have a feeling this is becoming the largest thread in the history of
this list, illustrating the principle that the importance of a change is
inversely proportional to the amount of discussion it creates.
To hypocritically add my two cents:
To me the cryptic references to tex(1) have been one of those Plan 9
things you stumble upon when you first play with the OS, like the fact
that copying is called "snarf". It's confusing as hell but eventually you
just accept it as it is.
Hence I'm opposed to removing the references.
If this issue had *any* technical relevance behind it, I might reconsider,
but it does not.
Maybe we should just copy over emacs(1).
aiju
On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
>> do i need some form of entitlement to think?
>
> This has been debated in academia for decades. To some extent,
> privilege is the time and space to think.
>
> sl
>
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* Re: [9front] Re: TeX
2018-02-20 9:04 ` Julius Schmidt
@ 2018-02-20 13:22 ` Ethan Grammatikidis
0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Ethan Grammatikidis @ 2018-02-20 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9front
On Tue, Feb 20, 2018, at 9:04 AM, Julius Schmidt wrote:
> I have a feeling this is becoming the largest thread in the history of
> this list, illustrating the principle that the importance of a change is
> inversely proportional to the amount of discussion it creates.
I very very nearly added my bit yesterday. Glad I didn't.
Oh wait, I'm doing it now.
>
> To hypocritically add my two cents:
>
> To me the cryptic references to tex(1) have been one of those Plan 9
> things you stumble upon when you first play with the OS, like the fact
> that copying is called "snarf". It's confusing as hell but eventually you
> just accept it as it is.
I briefly wanted to jump on the bandwagon of zealously removing all
unnecessary confusion, "because necessary things are confusing
enough already", but then I remembered that neither of these things
ever confused me for very long at all. I don't see the problem.
These days, I try to fight urges to tidy up all the little things like this,
because a lot of the tidying up does no real good and some of it is
actually harmful.
>
> Hence I'm opposed to removing the references.
>
> If this issue had *any* technical relevance behind it, I might reconsider,
> but it does not.
>
> Maybe we should just copy over emacs(1).
>
> aiju
>
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2018, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
>
> >> do i need some form of entitlement to think?
> >
> > This has been debated in academia for decades. To some extent,
> > privilege is the time and space to think.
> >
> > sl
> >
--
The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer
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