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From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 18:57:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yl3crskzmg.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3ofage003.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "29 Sep 2002 21:31:40 -0400")

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:

> For example, POP does not have a mechanism by which it can determine the
> size of messages.  But it can get all the headers.  A POP client can
> grab the headers of all messages, check the Lines headers for each, and
> skip any messages that exceed a user-defined threshold.  This is useful,
> for example, if you happen to be a travelling sales engineer currently
> somewhere in India using a cellular/gsm phone at 9600 baud to download
> your mail but don't want the 150MB PowerPoint presentations that your
> manager sent out to everyone, at least not until you get back to your
> office and a T1.  I am not making this up.  I have an SE who routinely
> does this.

Do enough mail clients generate accurate Lines headers to make this
worthwhile?

> On the Usenet side of things, Gnus Agent uses Lines headers the same way,
> to determine if a message qualifies as "long" and does not automatically
> retrieve articles that exceed the "long" threshold.

It shouldn't.  It should be using overview for that information.  A huge
percentage of Lines headers in Usenet articles are simply completely wrong
(such as only counting half of a multipart/alternative, or being
calculated prior to signature appending, or simply being completely
unrelated to reality).  This is why USEFOR is going to remove the header
completely for Usenet; for Usenet, it's worthless.

Overview is required to include a line count.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-30  1:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-29 14:01 Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 14:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-09-29 14:32   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 17:08     ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-09-29 17:51       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-30  1:31         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-09-30  1:57           ` Russ Allbery [this message]
2002-09-30 19:15             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-10-01  2:11               ` Russ Allbery
2002-10-01  3:27                 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-10-01  3:38                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-01  3:57                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-30  3:08           ` greg andruk
2002-09-30 19:17             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-09-30 11:23           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-07 21:58         ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-09 14:04             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-10-02 16:46       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-29 18:35   ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-29 18:51     ` Michael Cook
2002-09-29 19:45       ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-29 15:14 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29 16:59   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 20:15     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29 20:21       ` Jorgen Schaefer
2002-09-29 20:30         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 21:43           ` Jorgen Schaefer
2002-09-30 12:03           ` Clemens Fischer
2002-09-30 14:19             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-30 14:43             ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-30 22:04               ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-01  0:22                 ` Josh Huber
2002-10-01  9:54                   ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-01 10:45                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-02 16:52                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-01 14:05                     ` Josh Huber
2002-10-01 18:12                       ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-02 18:38                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-03  0:06                           ` mail-followup-to, was " Clemens Fischer
2002-10-03 16:13                             ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 16:49                     ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 19:44                       ` [despammed] " clemens fischer
2002-10-02 20:25                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 23:16                           ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-03 16:30                             ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-06 13:30                               ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-07 16:34                                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-07 23:44                                   ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-08 15:34                                     ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 18:48                     ` Reiner Steib
2002-10-03  0:13                       ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-08 12:07                         ` Reiner Steib
2002-10-01 11:06               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-01 11:54                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-02  4:41               ` Dan Christensen
2002-12-29 15:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 16:36   ` Romain FRANCOISE
2002-12-30 16:50     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 22:06       ` Romain FRANCOISE
2002-12-30 20:46   ` No References header when using drafts (was: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?) Reiner Steib
2002-12-30 21:06     ` No References header when using drafts Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 21:59       ` Reiner Steib
2002-12-30 22:23         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-31 14:43           ` Reiner Steib
2003-01-01 17:57             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-01 18:49               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-31 15:23           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-02 17:05             ` Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 18:30               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 20:53                 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:04                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-03 17:48                     ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-02 21:30               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-06 19:27   ` References Header (Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?) Mark Thomas
2003-01-07  4:56     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-07 13:11       ` Mark Thomas
2003-01-07 18:12       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-08  4:10         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-07 12:49     ` References Header Reiner Steib
2003-01-08  3:55       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

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