Gnus development mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:11:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ylwup2ucvk.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m33crrcmrg.fsf@peorth.gweep.net> (Stainless Steel Rat's message of "30 Sep 2002 15:15:15 -0400")

Stainless Steel Rat <ratinox@peorth.gweep.net> writes:
> * Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu>  on Sun, 29 Sep 2002

> | It shouldn't.  It should be using overview for that information.

> Overview is a feature of the NNTP client specifications.  Not all news
> readers use NNTP.

This is, for all intents and purposes, no longer true.

> For example, a reader looking at a local spool

Essentially no one does this any more.  There may be one or two people who
are doing this out of a sense of nostalgia, but using NNTP to localhost is
faster, more reliable, and offers considerably more features.  And you
have the ability to do that already if you have the news in the first
place, unless you're just faking a local spool using a suck utility (and
why you'd do that rather than just use an off-line reader, which does
basically the same thing but a lot more reliably and with better control,
escapes me).

It's utterly pointless to do try to use the local spool unless you're
doing it for the same reason that you'd be programming on a Commodore 64
or porting gcc to a PDP-11.  Even the hard-line old Unix clients are
starting to drop support for reading from a local spool.

Not to mention that roughly 10% of the Lines headers seen in the wild on
Usenet are completely wrong.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-01  2:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-29 14:01 Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 14:14 ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-09-29 14:32   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 17:08     ` Karl Kleinpaste
2002-09-29 17:51       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-30  1:31         ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-09-30  1:57           ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-30 19:15             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-10-01  2:11               ` Russ Allbery [this message]
2002-10-01  3:27                 ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-10-01  3:38                   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-01  3:57                   ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-30  3:08           ` greg andruk
2002-09-30 19:17             ` Stainless Steel Rat
2002-09-30 11:23           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-07 21:58         ` Florian Weimer
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-10-09 14:04             ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-10-02 16:46       ` Per Abrahamsen
2002-09-29 18:35   ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-29 18:51     ` Michael Cook
2002-09-29 19:45       ` Russ Allbery
2002-09-29 15:14 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29 16:59   ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 20:15     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-29 20:21       ` Jorgen Schaefer
2002-09-29 20:30         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-29 21:43           ` Jorgen Schaefer
2002-09-30 12:03           ` Clemens Fischer
2002-09-30 14:19             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-09-30 14:43             ` Simon Josefsson
2002-09-30 22:04               ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-01  0:22                 ` Josh Huber
2002-10-01  9:54                   ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-01 10:45                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-02 16:52                       ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-01 14:05                     ` Josh Huber
2002-10-01 18:12                       ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-02 18:38                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-03  0:06                           ` mail-followup-to, was " Clemens Fischer
2002-10-03 16:13                             ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 16:49                     ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 19:44                       ` [despammed] " clemens fischer
2002-10-02 20:25                         ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 23:16                           ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-03 16:30                             ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-06 13:30                               ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-07 16:34                                 ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-07 23:44                                   ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-08 15:34                                     ` Paul Jarc
2002-10-02 18:48                     ` Reiner Steib
2002-10-03  0:13                       ` Clemens Fischer
2002-10-08 12:07                         ` Reiner Steib
2002-10-01 11:06               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-01 11:54                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-02  4:41               ` Dan Christensen
2002-12-29 15:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 16:36   ` Romain FRANCOISE
2002-12-30 16:50     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 22:06       ` Romain FRANCOISE
2002-12-30 20:46   ` No References header when using drafts (was: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?) Reiner Steib
2002-12-30 21:06     ` No References header when using drafts Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-30 21:59       ` Reiner Steib
2002-12-30 22:23         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-31 14:43           ` Reiner Steib
2003-01-01 17:57             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-01 18:49               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2002-12-31 15:23           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-02 17:05             ` Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 18:30               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-02 20:53                 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-01-02 21:04                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-03 17:48                     ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-02 21:30               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-06 19:27   ` References Header (Re: Why does Gnus generates Lines: header in mail?) Mark Thomas
2003-01-07  4:56     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-07 13:11       ` Mark Thomas
2003-01-07 18:12       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-01-08  4:10         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2003-01-07 12:49     ` References Header Reiner Steib
2003-01-08  3:55       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=ylwup2ucvk.fsf@windlord.stanford.edu \
    --to=rra@stanford.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).