From: Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>
To: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
Cc: TUHS main list <tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2021 23:24:37 -0400 [thread overview]
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I set out to write a reply, then found that Marshall had said it all,
better..Alas, the crucial central principle of Plan 9 got ignored, while
its ancillary contributions were absorbed into Linux, making Linux fatter
but still oriented to a bygone milieu.
Another entrant in the distributable computing arena is Jay Misra's
"orchestrator", Orc, in which practice goes hand-in-hand with theory:
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/misra/OrcBook.pdf.
Doug
On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 8:19 PM John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
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> On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 5:01 AM Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> wrote:
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>> Linux was
>> designed for a platform that was defined by Intel and Microsoft, and the
>> disfunctional split that Roscoe points out is exactly the split in design
>> responsibilities between Intel and Microsoft.
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> As the saying has it: "What Andy giveth, Bill taketh away."
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-03 3:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-01 21:58 Dan Cross
2021-09-02 8:42 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-03 0:19 ` John Cowan
2021-09-03 3:24 ` Douglas McIlroy [this message]
2021-09-03 13:21 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-08 11:14 ` Tony Finch
2021-09-16 19:27 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-17 0:34 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 0:44 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 17:07 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 1:33 ` Dan Cross
2021-09-02 15:41 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-09-02 20:12 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-03 15:56 ` Warner Losh
2021-09-03 17:10 ` Adam Thornton
2021-09-03 17:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-03 17:42 ` John Floren
2021-09-03 19:02 ` Lawrence Stewart
2021-09-03 19:11 ` Clem Cole
2021-09-03 17:46 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware [ really a comment on SoCs ] Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 18:38 ` [TUHS] ATC/OSDI'21 joint keynote: It's Time for Operating Systems to Rediscover Hardware (Timothy Roscoe) Dan Cross
2021-09-16 19:34 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-16 19:41 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:14 ` Marshall Conover
2021-09-16 23:44 ` Rob Pike
2021-09-17 0:37 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:38 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 3:54 ` John Cowan
2021-09-16 23:45 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 0:06 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 4:06 ` John Cowan
2021-09-17 4:18 ` Al Kossow
2021-09-17 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-16 23:54 ` David Arnold
2021-09-17 1:10 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 1:28 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 1:40 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:04 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 2:21 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 2:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 17:39 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 17:51 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-17 21:03 ` Derek Fawcus
2021-09-17 22:11 ` Larry McVoy
2021-09-19 4:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-09-17 18:34 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:56 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 19:16 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 19:35 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-09-17 15:56 ` Bakul Shah
2021-09-17 18:24 ` ron minnich
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