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From: "Daniel Shahaf" <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
To: "Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: "Zsh hackers list" <zsh-workers@zsh.org>
Subject: Re: Bug with unset variables
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:59:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3246311e-c4b2-48f3-8baa-d271591f0029@www.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMP44s2mkpWF-2coUW6u-9W03puSDdhSoF_HNdVbSqohpxvLkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Felipe Contreras wrote on Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:49 +00:00:
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 9:44 AM Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> >
> > Felipe Contreras wrote on Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 02:46:40 -0600:
> > > Maybe there's a better way to describe this fact. Maybe Git's notion
> > > of logically separate changes [1] helps (e.g. you should not mix
> > > whitespace cleanups with functional changes). But the fact is that in
> > > virtually all languages (and bash and ksh) there's an idiom to declare
> > > a local variable and *only* declare a local variable (not do anything
> > > else).
> > >
> > > Can we at least agree on that? In zsh typeset does *two* things.
> >
> > I'd rather say that «typeset» does one thing — it ${verb}s a variable
> > (for some value of $verb) — and the zsh data model doesn't feature
> > a "Not really a value" value, so the variable necessarily gets _some_
> > value, like «int foo;» in C.
> 
> If it's really one thing, then why does adding it in the example above
> changes the behavior in *two* ways?

What two ways?

>   func () {
>     [[ -n "$1" ]] && var=$1
>     dosomething ${var-other}
>   }
> 
>   func () {
>     typeset var
>     [[ -n "$1" ]] && var=$1
>     dosomething ${var-other}
>   }
> 
> -- 
> Felipe Contreras
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-27 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-11 15:57 Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 16:13 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 16:56   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 18:03       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:16         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-11 20:42           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  0:20             ` Mikael Magnusson
2020-11-12  1:10               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12  8:45             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 10:47               ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-12 18:48                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-12 19:49                 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 18:46               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:10                 ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-12 21:08                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13  8:51                     ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-14  0:52                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-14  5:41                         ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-16 19:41                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-16 20:22                             ` Roman Perepelitsa
2020-11-17 20:28                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 22:45                                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-22  1:20                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  4:00                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-23  6:18                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-19  2:59                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:50                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 20:54                             ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-22  1:49                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23  6:48                                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23  7:26                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-23 20:26                                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-23 23:39                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-24  0:52                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-25  8:46                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 15:44                                             ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 20:49                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-27 20:59                                                 ` Daniel Shahaf [this message]
2020-11-27 21:33                                                   ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-27 23:37                                                     ` Daniel Shahaf
2020-11-27 23:45                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  0:24                                                       ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28  7:32                                                         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-28 12:05                                                         ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-12 19:26                 ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-12 21:48                   ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 22:17                     ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-14  0:58                       ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 18:36         ` Bart Schaefer
2020-11-11 21:08           ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-11 17:02     ` Peter Stephenson
2020-11-11 18:05       ` Felipe Contreras

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