From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] ISP filtering - update
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:07:48 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030925170746.J8693@cackle.proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0309250945570.3289-100000@einstein.ssz.com>; from Jim Choate on Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:48:26AM -0500
On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 09:48:26AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, ron minnich wrote:
>
> > ISPs say that something like 90+% of their BW goes to SPAM now. Two SPAM
> > blacklisting services just shut down due to DDOS attacks.
>
> That is good, where do you think spammers get their lists of relays and
> such? Besides they commit trespass and harassment in the process of doing
> their supposedly 'good' deeds. Blah, may the fascist bastards rot in hell.
>
To some extent, I agree with you. Early days of the Internet,
disconnections were instigated by net-deities that had the respect
of the community, these days, it's a matter of self-appointed,
never challenged authority. On the other hand, the enemy isn't
exactly playing clean either.
> > Whatever we're doing, it ain't working very well.
>
> That's because 99.9% of you don't understand the problem. You need to be
> using the existing harassment and trespass laws and careful choice of case
> to set precedent.
>
Not in the USA (or anywhere else where there exists a culture of
litigation). It used to be that "Justice is the interest of the
strongets" (Aristotle, if I recall right) but power is now in the
hands of the plutocrats.
> Just think of somebody ringing your doorbell over and over...
>
More like somebody having wired your doorbell to a remote control that
you can't disconnect. Not really a good analogy. And it's going to
be expensive to prosecute in a court of law.
Maybe if Oprah comes out strongly against SPAM, will we see some
results.
++L
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Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-25 11:32 Aharon Robbins
2003-09-25 12:21 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 13:42 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 14:48 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 15:07 ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2003-09-25 15:34 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 16:41 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-25 17:20 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:28 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 17:37 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:12 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:19 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 18:25 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:29 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:39 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:43 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:51 ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 19:06 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:35 ` mirtchov
2003-09-26 10:16 ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-25 19:48 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 10:17 ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-26 11:44 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:37 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:40 ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 17:47 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26 2:03 ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-09-25 16:06 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:21 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:26 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:45 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:05 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:05 ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 18:16 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 21:39 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:47 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:56 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:08 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:31 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26 10:13 ` David Lukes
2003-09-25 19:59 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:22 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:38 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:16 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:45 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:46 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 21:25 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:36 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:50 ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-25 21:58 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:10 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-25 22:34 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:19 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:37 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 23:10 ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 23:21 ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-26 0:01 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 0:11 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26 0:45 ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 22:32 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 22:27 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 22:53 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 4:33 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 10:45 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:07 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:09 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 12:21 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:39 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 12:58 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:23 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 13:33 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:46 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 14:01 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 14:36 ` rog
2003-09-26 15:03 ` rog
2003-09-26 15:22 ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-26 19:41 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:23 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:00 ` David Presotto
2003-10-06 9:01 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 9:22 ` boyd
2003-10-06 11:19 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 18:09 ` boyd
2003-09-26 13:55 ` rog
2003-09-26 14:25 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 19:38 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:06 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 20:31 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:18 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:44 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 21:13 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 6:01 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27 8:00 ` [9fans] PEM boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 9:43 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27 8:31 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 8:02 ` [9fans] ISP filtering - update boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 10:15 ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27 10:56 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-26 12:14 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:49 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:01 ` rog
2003-09-28 15:53 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-26 13:02 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 15:08 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-29 9:11 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-29 9:33 ` boyd
2003-09-25 17:19 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:32 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:30 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:48 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:56 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:03 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 18:10 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:08 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:21 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:26 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:37 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:31 ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:44 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 19:46 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 14:51 ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 19:32 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:43 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 19:05 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26 17:32 ` Michael Jeffrey
2003-09-25 17:57 ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:23 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:46 ` David Presotto
2003-10-03 15:17 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-09-25 23:30 Sven Lundquist
2003-09-26 13:09 David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:44 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:23 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 17:31 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 18:29 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 18:51 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:33 ` David Presotto
2003-10-06 9:01 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 12:55 ` David Presotto
2003-10-06 17:59 ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-09-26 14:49 Tiit Lankots
2003-09-26 19:49 ` boyd, rounin
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