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From: "Wes Kussmaul" <wes@village.com>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] ISP filtering - update
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 12:06:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0ab301c3837f$0acf0310$6400a8c0@dell01> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0309250945570.3289-100000@einstein.ssz.com>


Jim Choate:

> That's because 99.9% of you don't understand the problem. You need to be
> using the existing harassment and trespass laws and careful choice of case
> to set precedent.
>
> Just think of somebody ringing your doorbell over and over...

...in which case you look out the window to get a good look at the
perpetrator, call the cops and give a reliable description, perhaps
including a car description, license plate, etc. Either that or you open the
door and punch his lights out.

Where do we get reliable ID information from a mail header? The bell is
being rung by an innocent neighbor turned into a zombie by the real, unknown
perpetrator.

Boyd had the right idea (not the current one (though that one's good too))
but... let's see if I can find it... quoted it in my book...

The final solution is to either beef up IP (bad idea) or replace

it with a mutually authenticaticated, encrypted protocol.



When you have identity you can resort to your nice, civilized due process.
Until then it's terror, plain and simple. If applying harrassment and
trespass laws is effective against terror then our other big problem is
solved, just serve criminal complaints and lawsuits against bin Laden et al.

Wes Kussmaul



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-25 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-25 11:32 Aharon Robbins
2003-09-25 12:21 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 13:42 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 14:48   ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 15:07     ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-25 15:34       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 16:41         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-25 17:20           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:28           ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 17:37             ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:12               ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:19                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 18:25                 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:29                   ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:39                     ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:43                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:51                   ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 19:06                     ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:35                       ` mirtchov
2003-09-26 10:16                       ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-25 19:48                     ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 10:17                     ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-26 11:44                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:37                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:40             ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 17:47             ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26  2:03           ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-09-25 16:06     ` Wes Kussmaul [this message]
2003-09-25 17:21       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:26         ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:45           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:05             ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:05             ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 18:16               ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 21:39             ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:47               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:56                 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:08                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:31                     ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26 10:13                     ` David Lukes
2003-09-25 19:59       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:22         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:38           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:16       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:45         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:46         ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 21:25           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:36             ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:50               ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-25 21:58                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:10                 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-25 22:34                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:19                 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:37                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 23:10                   ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 23:21                     ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-26  0:01                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26  0:11                     ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26  0:45                       ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 22:32             ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 22:27           ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 22:53             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26  4:33           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 10:45             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:07             ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:09               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 12:21                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:39                   ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 12:58                     ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:23                       ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 13:33                         ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:46                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 14:01                             ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 14:36                               ` rog
2003-09-26 15:03                                 ` rog
2003-09-26 15:22                                   ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-26 19:41                                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:23                               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:00                                 ` David Presotto
2003-10-06  9:01                               ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06  9:22                                 ` boyd
2003-10-06 11:19                                   ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 18:09                                     ` boyd
2003-09-26 13:55                         ` rog
2003-09-26 14:25                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 19:38                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:06                               ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:50                           ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 20:31                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:18                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:44                           ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 21:13                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  6:01                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27  8:00                             ` [9fans] PEM boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  9:43                               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27  8:31                                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  8:02                             ` [9fans] ISP filtering - update boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 10:15                               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27 10:56                     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-26 12:14               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:49                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:01                   ` rog
2003-09-28 15:53                     ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-26 13:02                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 15:08                     ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-29  9:11       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-29  9:33         ` boyd
2003-09-25 17:19     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:32       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:30         ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:48         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:56           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:03             ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 18:10               ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:08                 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:21                   ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:26                     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:37                       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:31                         ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:44                           ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 19:46                           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 14:51                             ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 19:32                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:43                     ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 19:05                       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26 17:32                     ` Michael Jeffrey
2003-09-25 17:57       ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:23         ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:46         ` David Presotto
2003-10-03 15:17 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-09-25 23:30 Sven Lundquist
2003-09-26 13:09 David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:44 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:23   ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 17:31     ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 18:29       ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 18:51       ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:33     ` David Presotto
2003-10-06  9:01 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 12:55   ` David Presotto
2003-10-06 17:59     ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-09-26 14:49 Tiit Lankots
2003-09-26 19:49 ` boyd, rounin

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