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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] ISP filtering - update
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 14:39:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030926143949.N19995@cackle.proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0709ac44e3c21cc35b75d8f441aca754@plan9.bell-labs.com>; from David Presotto on Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:21:51AM -0400

On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 08:21:51AM -0400, David Presotto wrote:
>
> It does indeed, our SMTP supports it thanks to Dan.
>
Yes, I've been meaning to explore this in detail, but I've been
accepting it as gospel truth in the meantime :-(

> >   In other words, I
> > inspect your certificate, decide I can identify you in front of
> > a judge and accept the mail.  Otherwise, you're out of luck.
>
> Yes that is indeed the scheme we're talking about.  The problem is
> proving anything.  If most mail is delivered by a third party
> (i.e. an ISP) and you only have certs belonging to your friends
> then you have nothing to check unless you have CERTs for the
> ISPs.  Somewhere we need a list of credible ISP CERTs.

Well, the alternative I had in mind was to have a short dialogue:

S: Are you willing to accept responsibility for this piece of mail?
C: Me?! you must be joking!  This is spam disguised as a virus.
S: Cool, go try your luck elsewhere.

Also, I'm not sure so many ISPs are responsible for delivering mail
over SMTP.  Certainly, I have been proposing to my clients that
they set up a small dial-in server for their travelling users to
dial into instead of risking ISP inspection of what could be
confidential information.  Over time, I think this may well become
a trend unless (or maybe especially if) the POTS migrates to IP.

Then again, my life brightens up when people suggest using UUCP to
deliver mail (or transfer files from Windows, as I wish I could do
in one recent instance).  Has nobody tried to port BNU or Taylor
UUCP to Plan 9?

++L


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-26 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-25 11:32 Aharon Robbins
2003-09-25 12:21 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 13:42 ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 14:48   ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 15:07     ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-25 15:34       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 16:41         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-25 17:20           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:28           ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 17:37             ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:12               ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:19                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 18:25                 ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:29                   ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 18:39                     ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:43                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:51                   ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 19:06                     ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 19:35                       ` mirtchov
2003-09-26 10:16                       ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-25 19:48                     ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 10:17                     ` Marcus Andersson
2003-09-26 11:44                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:37                 ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:40             ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 17:47             ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26  2:03           ` Adrian Tritschler
2003-09-25 16:06     ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:21       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:26         ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:45           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:05             ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:05             ` mirtchov
2003-09-25 18:16               ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 21:39             ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:47               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:56                 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:08                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:31                     ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26 10:13                     ` David Lukes
2003-09-25 19:59       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:22         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:38           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:16       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 20:45         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 20:46         ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 21:25           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 21:36             ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 21:50               ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-25 21:58                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:10                 ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-25 22:34                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 22:19                 ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-25 22:37                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 23:10                   ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 23:21                     ` Andrew Simmons
2003-09-26  0:01                       ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26  0:11                     ` Derek Fawcus
2003-09-26  0:45                       ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-25 22:32             ` ron minnich
2003-09-25 22:27           ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 22:53             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26  4:33           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 10:45             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:07             ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:09               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 12:21                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 12:39                   ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2003-09-26 12:58                     ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:23                       ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 13:33                         ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:46                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 14:01                             ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 14:36                               ` rog
2003-09-26 15:03                                 ` rog
2003-09-26 15:22                                   ` D. Brownlee
2003-09-26 19:41                                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:23                               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:00                                 ` David Presotto
2003-10-06  9:01                               ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06  9:22                                 ` boyd
2003-10-06 11:19                                   ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 18:09                                     ` boyd
2003-09-26 13:55                         ` rog
2003-09-26 14:25                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-26 19:38                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 20:06                               ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:50                           ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 20:31                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:18                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 19:44                           ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 21:13                             ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  6:01                           ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27  8:00                             ` [9fans] PEM boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  9:43                               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27  8:31                                 ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-27  8:02                             ` [9fans] ISP filtering - update boyd, rounin
2003-09-27 10:15                               ` Lucio De Re
2003-09-27 10:56                     ` Geoff Collyer
2003-09-26 12:14               ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 12:49                 ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 13:01                   ` rog
2003-09-28 15:53                     ` Tristan Seligmann
2003-09-26 13:02                   ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 15:08                     ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-29  9:11       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-09-29  9:33         ` boyd
2003-09-25 17:19     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:32       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 17:30         ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 17:48         ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 17:56           ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:03             ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 18:10               ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:08                 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:21                   ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:26                     ` Dan Cross
2003-09-25 18:37                       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:31                         ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:44                           ` David Presotto
2003-09-25 19:46                           ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-26 14:51                             ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 19:32                         ` boyd, rounin
2003-09-25 18:43                     ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-25 19:05                       ` Jim Choate
2003-09-26 17:32                     ` Michael Jeffrey
2003-09-25 17:57       ` Joel Salomon
2003-09-25 18:23         ` Jim Choate
2003-09-25 18:46         ` David Presotto
2003-10-03 15:17 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-09-25 23:30 Sven Lundquist
2003-09-26 13:09 David Presotto
2003-09-26 16:44 ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:23   ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 17:31     ` David Presotto
2003-09-26 18:29       ` Wes Kussmaul
2003-09-26 18:51       ` Dan Cross
2003-09-26 17:33     ` David Presotto
2003-10-06  9:01 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-10-06 12:55   ` David Presotto
2003-10-06 17:59     ` Christopher Nielsen
2003-09-26 14:49 Tiit Lankots
2003-09-26 19:49 ` boyd, rounin

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