From: "Don A. Bailey" <don.bailey@gmail.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2024 16:16:00 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6947B9DC-079A-404C-A5EB-A2988BA0D3DD@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ACF593BA-8262-4D91-B0B6-955173F1E068@gmail.com>
I’ve literally never even seen your name before.
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 3:45 PM, Michael Misch <michaelmisch1985@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is incredibly rude and tone-deaf. Your convictions aside, dismissing an opinion like this is simply stonewalling, and quite frankly obliterated whatever respect I may have started to develop for you.
>
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
>>
>> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as a user and a developer.
>>
>> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.
>>
>> D
>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>>> I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive patches through them.
>>
>> Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User?
>>
>> Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real
>> bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would
>> "manage" something. for example development and continuous hosting of
>> the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case.
>>
>> I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the
>> foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last
>> few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via
>> email) received from them.
>>
>> I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off"
>> is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result
>> the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server
>> resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and
>> community (that is willing to stay patches) alive.
>>
>> It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely
>> contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate
>> with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community
>> members are able to contribute quite effectively.
>>
>> To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay
>> alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own
>> team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool
>> kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with
>> blackjack and hookers. In my head.
>>
>> Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what
>> I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and
>> keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
>> another patch to sources some day soon.
>>
>> hiro
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2024-01-25 18:21 ` Re[2]: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was: " Alexandr Babic
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2024-01-25 17:34 ` Jacob Moody
2024-01-25 18:54 ` Don Bailey
2024-01-25 18:47 ` noam
2024-01-25 20:29 ` Don Bailey
2024-01-25 20:05 ` ori
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