Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

["Don A. Bailey" <don.bailey@gmail.com>]

Tbf I took it as genuine. 

One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that was, as intended. 

I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive patches through them. 

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> On Jan 24, 2024, at 8:50 PM, vic.thacker@fastmail.fm wrote:
> 
> To clarify, my message represented a genuine exploration of the idea of envisioning a new release.
> 
> --vic
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, at 10:01, Don Bailey wrote:
>> Breh. No.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 7:45 PM <vic.thacker@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear 9fans, as enthusiasts and experts of Plan 9, you are undoubtedly
>>> aware of the unique position this operating system holds in the world of
>>> distributed computing. Its influence on modern computing paradigms is
>>> undeniable. In the spirit of continuing this legacy, the prospect of Plan 9
>>> Release 5 beckons, offering a pathway to not just preserve but also enhance
>>> our beloved system. This essay aims to articulate the rationale for Plan 9
>>> Release 5, focusing on the need for modernization, the potential for
>>> innovation, and the practical considerations that align with our shared
>>> passions and expertise.
>>> 
>>> The Need for Modernization
>>> 
>>> Technological Evolution:
>>> We've all witnessed the dramatic shifts in technology since Plan 9's last
>>> iteration. To keep Plan 9 at the forefront of utility and innovation, it's
>>> essential to adapt and update our system in line with the latest
>>> advancements in hardware, networking, and programming languages. This
>>> evolution is crucial to ensure that Plan 9 remains an indispensable tool in
>>> our modern tech toolkit.
>>> 
>>> Security Enhancements:
>>> In our ever-connected world, the sophistication of cyber threats is a
>>> reality we cannot ignore. It is imperative that Plan 9 evolves to include
>>> cutting-edge security protocols, safeguarding our systems and the unique
>>> work we do from emerging cyber risks.
>>> 
>>> Hardware Compatibility:
>>> The advent of new hardware architectures is an exciting challenge for us.
>>> Updating Plan 9 to support these new platforms means not only preserving
>>> its usability but also expanding our horizons to new forms of computing,
>>> something we, as 9fans, have always embraced.
>>> 
>>> Fostering Innovation
>>> 
>>> Research and Education:
>>> Plan 9’s novel approach to system design and distributed computing has
>>> always been a beacon for academic research and education. A new release
>>> would re-energize our academic endeavors, offering a modern platform for
>>> continued exploration and learning, pushing the boundaries of what we can
>>> achieve with Plan 9.
>>> 
>>> Community Engagement:
>>> A new version of Plan 9 stands to reinvigorate our community. This is an
>>> opportunity to deepen our engagement, attract new talent, and foster a
>>> richer ecosystem around our shared passion. The development of Plan 9
>>> Release 5 could be a rallying point for our community, sparking new
>>> collaborations and innovations.
>>> 
>>> Showcasing Plan 9’s Potential:
>>> Plan 9 Release 5 would be a powerful statement of our system's
>>> capabilities, especially in burgeoning fields like cloud computing, IoT,
>>> and distributed systems. This is our chance to demonstrate the adaptability
>>> and forward-thinking design of Plan 9 to the wider world.
>>> 
>>> Practical Considerations
>>> 
>>> Resource Allocation:
>>> We understand the importance of efficient resource management in bringing
>>> Plan 9 Release 5 to fruition. This means tapping into our collective
>>> knowledge, drawing on community contributions, and possibly exploring new
>>> partnerships or funding avenues.
>>> 
>>> Backward Compatibility:
>>> Maintaining backward compatibility is essential to honor our past work and
>>> ensure a smooth transition. We must respect the legacy of Plan 9 while
>>> charting a course for its future.
>>> 
>>> Documentation and Support:
>>> Enhanced documentation and support are crucial for the success of this new
>>> release. As a community, we can collaborate to create resources that will
>>> aid in adoption and usability, ensuring Plan 9 Release 5 becomes a tool we
>>> can all be proud of.
>>> 
>>> Conclusion
>>> 
>>> The creation of Plan 9 Release 5 is more than a technological update; it’s
>>> a reaffirmation of our commitment to a system that has long been at the
>>> vanguard of computing innovation. This initiative is a step towards
>>> ensuring Plan 9's continued relevance, security, and functionality in the
>>> modern era. It's an opportunity to broaden its impact in the realms of
>>> research, education, and beyond. As 9fans, we have the passion, the
>>> knowledge, and the community to make this a reality, honoring the legacy of
>>> Plan 9 while shaping its future. Let's embark on this journey together,
>>> shaping the next chapter in the Plan 9 story.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for dedicating your time and attention.
>>> --vic
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, at 05:48, Jacob Moody wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/24 14:28, Michael Grunditz wrote:
>>>>> I have looked at the reform code and I like how it is done. I think
>>> that it would be easy to use for porting 9legacy or in fact any system. But
>>> it is more work than a recompile.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael
>>>> 
>>>> It is certainly not drag and drop. Getting the arm64 compiler and
>>>> linker working on
>>>> 9legacy is already not what I would consider trivial due to drift in
>>>> /sys/src/cmd/cc.
>>>> So yes if you have enough understanding on how to work with and debug
>>>> the compiler, the linker, and
>>>> the kernel then perhaps you could call it "easy". I'll believe it when
>>>> I see it.
>>>> 

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