Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

[Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com>]

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And if 9front stays 9front, that's fine by me. Do it up :-)



On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 1:13 PM Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org> wrote:

> Do you have specific issues with our code? All I've seen is vague finger
> pointing.
> We don't need some authority to point at 9front and say its "mainline",
> people
> see where the effort is going, endorsement or not.
>
> On 1/25/24 10:44, Don Bailey wrote:
> > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
> >
> > If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both
> as a user and a developer.
> >
> > I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any
> interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be.
> >
> > D
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net
> <mailto:9fans@9fans.net>> wrote:
> >     > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo.
> I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to
> only receive patches through them.
> >
> >     Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a
> User?
> >
> >     Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real
> >     bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would
> >     "manage" something. for example  development and continuous hosting
> of
> >     the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case.
> >
> >     I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the
> >     foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last
> >     few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via
> >     email) received from them.
> >
> >     I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off"
> >     is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result
> >     the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server
> >     resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and
> >     community (that is willing to stay patches) alive.
> >
> >     It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely
> >     contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to
> negotiate
> >     with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community
> >     members are able to contribute quite effectively.
> >
> >     To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always
> stay
> >     alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own
> >     team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool
> >     kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs,
> with
> >     blackjack and hookers. In my head.
> >
> >     Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what
> >     I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me
> and
> >     keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
> >     another patch to sources some day soon.
> >
> >     hiro
> >
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