Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

[Jacob Moody <moody@posixcafe.org>]

Do you have specific issues with our code? All I've seen is vague finger pointing.
We don't need some authority to point at 9front and say its "mainline", people
see where the effort is going, endorsement or not.

On 1/25/24 10:44, Don Bailey wrote:
> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. 
> 
> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as a user and a developer. 
> 
> I trust the sources that come from 9legacy/9pio but I don't have any interest in the mess of whatever 9front is supposed to be. 
> 
> D
> 
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:40 AM hiro via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net <mailto:9fans@9fans.net>> wrote:
> 
>     > I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the standard repo. I’d prefer the sources to be managed by the foundation and would like to only receive patches through them.
> 
>     Are you speaking as part of the foundation? As a developer? Or as a User?
> 
>     Me, as a user, I would also appreciate if the foundation (or the real
>     bell-labs unix room heritage, before the foundation existed) would
>     "manage" something. for example  development and continuous hosting of
>     the sources server. This doesn't seem to be the case.
> 
>     I also would appreciate the making available of patches by the
>     foundation. I have no clue where their codebase is moving in the last
>     few years as there was no single commit (or even simple patch via
>     email) received from them.
> 
>     I think the reason the 9front repo is continuing to stay split "off"
>     is because the bell-labs servers have all been shut down. As a result
>     the community has stepped in to donate their own time, money, server
>     resources, sweat and blood, etc. to keep a usable plan 9 version and
>     community (that is willing to stay patches) alive.
> 
>     It is extremely unfortunate, but the pressure behind the freely
>     contributed code ended up being stronger than the ability to negotiate
>     with the empty halls of bell-labs. So as a result lots of community
>     members are able to contribute quite effectively.
> 
>     To me the legend of what must have been the unix room will always stay
>     alive, and I will continue to use it as a benchmark to measure my own
>     team's success against. But if I cannot be part of the group of cool
>     kids that came out of this, I can at least have my own bell-labs, with
>     blackjack and hookers. In my head.
> 
>     Don, I wish you great technical collaborations. At least this is what
>     I have came here for, and have tried to take what caused awe in me and
>     keep them alive and infect others with all that. Maybe you can submit
>     another patch to sources some day soon.
> 
>     hiro
> 
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