Re: Just shoot me now

[Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com>]

Tommy Kelly <tommy.kelly@verilab.com> writes:

> Sivaram Neelakantan <nsivaram.net@gmail.com> writes:
>> Funnily, mail splitting worked for me the first time I tried apart
>> from a few minor misses.  But mine were simple ones
>>
>> (setq nnmail-split-methods
>>       '(("sas-l" "^Subject:.*SAS-L*")
>> ;; 	("ctan-ann" "^From:.*ctan-ann*")
>>  	("mail.misc" "")))
>>
>> is all I did.
>
> Ah but see that's simple splitting. That's for girls (cue slaps for
> sexism and threats to get Sacha Chua to kick my ass). Real Men use
> *fancy* splitting.  And it's fancy splitting that's destroying my will
> to live. :-)
>
>> WhyTF, I didn't
>> understand it the first time around or for that matter many other
>> times before, I don't know.
>
> Exactly right. It's normal, once you become more expert to forget what
> it was like to be a newb.
>
> But a key component of writing good docs, much as in good teaching, is
> precisely the ability to rewind your mind to that first time around,
> remember what it was like to not know what you now know, and to plot a
> path forwards for the newbie. 
>
> Most people find that hard. The few that can are called good
> teachers. The very best of those are called Richard Feynman.
>
>> Of course, the fault is mostly mine that I make feeble attempts at
>> learning elisp....
>
> Well yes and no. To me it's not unreasonable that if you want to get to
> grips with the dark underbelly of Gnus (or anything in emacs) you have
> to roll your sleeves up and dig into lisp. But that doesn't mean the
> documentation is fine.
>
> Again -- lest Lars, Andreas and the other Noble Writers Of Code get fed
> up with what may seem like whining, just keep hacking guys. You are much 
> appreciated. 
>
> Tommy

Abd just in case anyone is reading this, I still havent got an example
of fancy splitting working, Here is my setup:-

,----
|    (setq spam-use-bogofilter t)
|    (setq spam-use-spamassassin t)
|    
|    (require 'spam)
|    (spam-initialize)
|    
|    (setq nnimap-split-inbox '("INBOX"))
|    (setq nnimap-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split) "INBOX"))
| 
|    (setq nnmail-split-inbox '("INBOX"))
|    (setq nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: spam-split) "SYS-INBOX"))
|    
|    (setq spam-split-disabled nil)
|    
|    (setq spam-autodetect-recheck-messages nil)
|    (setq spam-mark-ham-unread-before-move-from-spam-group t)
|    (setq spam-mark-new-messages-in-spam-group-as-spam t)
|    (setq spam-split-group "Gnus-Spam")
`----
   
And no splitting is happening on the INBOX. I cant think what else might
be inhibiting it so if no one can help I'll try, gulp, to debug it...