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From: wes.parish@paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 12:29:37 +1300 (NZDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1490570977.58d84ee184836@www.paradise.net.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170326220637.GA9482@mcvoy.com>

To give an example of what one other operating system means by records, I point you in the direction 
of:
http://www.conceptsolutionsbc.com/mvs-articles/197-mvs-file-system

"Windows and *NIX file systems are based on hierarchical directory structure. Basically, you have one 
root directory and you can create directories (sometimes called folders) or files under that root 
directory. Mainframe disk files are very different to this hierarchical approach."

"MVS datasets always have record lengths. MVS access methods read and write records in physical 
blocks. A block is made up of one or more logical record. This diagram shows the block sizes and 
difference between fixed block and variable block data sets.

The access method is responsible for splitting the block into logical records and passing the record to 
the program. Although a program can handle breaking the blocks into logical records, this task is 
normally done by the access method. A record length can be fixed or variable."

If you're familiar with the Network and Hierarchical Database systems from practical experience or from 
working through non-relational dbms books, this all looks very familiar. Essentially such file systems 
are hierarchical dbmses. As should be expected from MVS's derivation from batch systems.

I don't know anything about the DEC VAX VMS file system. I was meaning to learn a few years ago, but 
other things happened ...

FWVLIW

Wesley Parish

Quoting Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com>:

> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 07:31:30AM -0400, Ron Natalie wrote:
> > Maintaining records iwas far from unheard of at the time networking
> showed up in UNIX. Think about how the UNIX tape driver works.
> 
> I think that unix "records" are just a struct in binary in the file.
> That's a
> little different (a lot different?) than what most operating systems
> mean by
> records. Unless I'm mistaken.
>  



"I have supposed that he who buys a Method means to learn it." - Ferdinand Sor,
Method for Guitar

"A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on." -- Samuel Goldwyn


  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-26 23:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-26  3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29       ` Wesley Parish [this message]
2017-03-27  4:20     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26  4:31 ` Warner Losh
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-03-27  3:36 Doug McIlroy
2017-03-26  3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26  3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26  3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35     ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05     ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26  1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
     [not found]   ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26  4:46     ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26  2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26  3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23  8:56   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21  1:24   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20     ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21  1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08     ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05     ` ron minnich
2017-03-21  2:51       ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28       ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18         ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51           ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  0:18             ` Josh Good
2017-03-24  0:27               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  1:03                 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  1:05                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  2:33                   ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:17                     ` Random832
2017-03-24  5:37                     ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33                       ` Random832
     [not found]                     ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25  0:41                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25  5:01                         ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48                           ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:14                   ` Random832
2017-03-24  6:06                     ` ron minnich
2017-03-25  0:02                       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25  0:42                         ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24  7:23                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55                       ` Josh Good
2017-03-25  3:55                         ` ron minnich
2017-03-25  4:52                           ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48                             ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51                           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26                           ` Josh Good
2017-03-26  2:52                             ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55                     ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53                       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24  2:33                 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24  3:53                 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24  7:15                 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24  7:37                   ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24  8:06                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22                       ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09                           ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34                       ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09                       ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21  0:10       ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21  2:09         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27       ` Dave Horsfall

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