From: rminnich@gmail.com (ron minnich)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:51:06 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exYJTHnR2FGL+quJ48R_x9Dg2nXN9dnx7QM8vAJMMSSp39w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.20.1703231512420.1796@neener.bl.org>
My belief is that if a kernel requires something like lspci to enumerate
pci resources then it's forgotten an important lesson of Unix.
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:19 PM Michael Parson <mparson at bl.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2017, Josh Good wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:28:40 +0100
> > From: Josh Good <pepe at naleco.com>
> > To: tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org
> > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
> >
> > On 2017 Mar 20, 23:05, ron minnich wrote:
> >> At the time I got into Unix in 1976, E. F. Schumacher's "Small is
> >> Beautiful" book was fairly popular
> >
> >> (...) Those days are long gone of course; I noticed the other day that
> >> on Linux there are 16 commands that start with ls, that do roughly
> >> the same function, and nobody seems to think this is a bad thing. The
> >> only place the original 'small is beautiful' Unix ideas continue on
> >> that I know of is Plan 9.
> >
> > In RedHat Enterprise Linux 5.11 (without X-Window) I get:
> >
> > $ ls<tab>
> > ls lsattr lsb_release lshal lspgpot
> >
> > Whereas in Ubuntu 14.04 (full desktop install) I get:
> >
> > $ ls<tab>
> > ls lsblk lscpu lsdvd lsinitramfs lsof
> lspcmcia lss16toppm
> > lsattr lsb_release lsdiff lshw lsmod lspci
> lspgpot lsusb
> >
> > But then, in UnixWare 2.1 I get:
> >
> > $ bash<enter>
> > bash-2.01$ ls<tab>
> > (...no output...)
> >
> > So yeah, it's getting more bloated by the day.
> >
> > Anyone can contribute how is it on a recent OpenBSD without X-Window?
>
> How about NetBSD 6.1.4:
>
> $ ls<tab>
> ls lsb lsextattr lsof lspci lsx lsz
>
> Though only 'ls' and 'lsextattr' are part of the base install, the
> others are owned by various things installed out of pkgsrc, ls[bxz] are
> all from the same package.
>
> --
> Michael Parson
> Pflugerville, TX
> KF5LGQ
>
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2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05 ` ron minnich
2017-03-21 2:51 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18 ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51 ` ron minnich [this message]
2017-03-24 0:18 ` Josh Good
2017-03-24 0:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 1:03 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:17 ` Random832
2017-03-24 5:37 ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33 ` Random832
[not found] ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25 0:41 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25 5:01 ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:14 ` Random832
2017-03-24 6:06 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 0:02 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25 0:42 ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24 7:23 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-25 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 4:52 ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26 ` Josh Good
2017-03-26 2:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55 ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 3:53 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 7:15 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 7:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24 8:06 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22 ` Dan Cross
[not found] ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21 0:10 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21 2:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
[not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21 1:24 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21 1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23 8:56 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
[not found] ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26 4:46 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26 2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26 3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35 ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05 ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26 3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26 4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-27 3:36 Doug McIlroy
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