From: jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com (Jason Stevens)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:29:07 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <60725137-6AEB-4C3D-A705-FD66A4AA0C59@superglobalmegacorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170320221759.0581C18C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
Speaking of Licklider, here is an amazingly prophetic video from 1972
https://youtu.be/GjZ7ktIlSM0
On March 21, 2017 6:17:59 AM GMT+08:00, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
> > From: Steffen Nurpmeso
>
> > This "We owe it all to the Hippies"
>
>Well, yes and no. Read "Hackers". There wasn't a tremendous overlap
>between
>the set of 'nerds' (specifically, computer nerds) and 'hippies',
>especially in
>the early days. Not that the two groups were ideologically opposed, or
>incompatible, or anything like that. Just totally different.
>
>Later on, of course, there were quite a few hackers who were also
>'hippies',
>to some greater or lesser degree - more from hackers taking on the
>hippie
>vibe, than the other way around, I reckon. (I think that to be a true
>computer
>nerd, you have to start down that road pretty early on, and with a
>pretty
>severe commitment - so I don't think a _lot_ of hippied turned into
>hackers.
>Although I guess the same thing, about starting early, is true of
>really
>serious musicians.)
>
> > "The real legacy of the 60s generation is the Computer Revolution"
>
>Well, there is something to that (and I think others have made this
>observation). The hippie mentality had a lot of influence on everyone
>in that
>generation - including the computer nerds/hackers. Now, the hackers may
>have
>had a larger, impact, long-term, than the hippies did - but in some
>sense a
>lot of hippie ideals are reflected in the stuff a lot of hackers built:
>today's computer revolution can be seen as hippie idealism filtered
>through
>computer nerds...
>
>But remember things like this, from the dust-jacket of the biography of
>Prof. Licklider:
>
>"More than a decade will pass before personal computers emerge from the
> garages of Silicon Valley, and a full thirty years before the Internet
> explosion of the 1990s. The word computer still has an ominous tone,
>conjuring up the image of a huge, intimidating device hidden away in an
>over-lit, air-conditioned basement, relentlessly processing punch cards
>for
>some large institution: _them_. Yet, sitting in a nondescript office in
>McNamara's Pentagon, a quiet ... civilian is already planning the
>revolution
> that will change forever the way computers are perceived. Somehow, the
>occupant of that office ... has seen a future in which computers will
>empower
>individuals, instead of forcing them into rigid conformity. He is
>almost
> alone in his conviction that computers can become not just super-fast
>calculating machines, but joyful machines: tools that will serve as new
>media
>of expression, inspirations to creativity, and gateways to a vast world
>of
> online information.
>
>Now, technically Lick wasn't a hippie (he was, after all, 40 years old
>in
>1965), and he sure didn't have a lot of hippie-like attributes - but he
>was,
>in some ways, an ideological close relative of some hippies.
>
> Noel
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2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens [this message]
2017-03-23 10:13 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08 ` Jason Stevens
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2017-03-27 3:36 Doug McIlroy
2017-03-26 3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26 4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-26 3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26 3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35 ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05 ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26 1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
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2017-03-26 4:46 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26 2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23 8:56 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
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2017-03-21 1:24 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21 1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05 ` ron minnich
2017-03-21 2:51 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18 ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 0:18 ` Josh Good
2017-03-24 0:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 1:03 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:17 ` Random832
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2017-03-24 13:33 ` Random832
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2017-03-25 0:41 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25 5:01 ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:14 ` Random832
2017-03-24 6:06 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 0:02 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25 0:42 ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24 7:23 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-25 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 4:52 ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26 ` Josh Good
2017-03-26 2:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55 ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 3:53 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 7:15 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 7:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24 8:06 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22 ` Dan Cross
[not found] ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21 0:10 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21 2:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27 ` Dave Horsfall
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