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From: jsteve@superglobalmegacorp.com (Jason Stevens)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 21:29:07 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <60725137-6AEB-4C3D-A705-FD66A4AA0C59@superglobalmegacorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170320221759.0581C18C082@mercury.lcs.mit.edu>

Speaking of Licklider, here is an amazingly prophetic video from 1972

https://youtu.be/GjZ7ktIlSM0



On March 21, 2017 6:17:59 AM GMT+08:00, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>    > From: Steffen Nurpmeso
>
>    > This "We owe it all to the Hippies"
>
>Well, yes and no. Read "Hackers". There wasn't a tremendous overlap
>between
>the set of 'nerds' (specifically, computer nerds) and 'hippies',
>especially in
>the early days. Not that the two groups were ideologically opposed, or
>incompatible, or anything like that. Just totally different.
>
>Later on, of course, there were quite a few hackers who were also
>'hippies',
>to some greater or lesser degree - more from hackers taking on the
>hippie
>vibe, than the other way around, I reckon. (I think that to be a true
>computer
>nerd, you have to start down that road pretty early on, and with a
>pretty
>severe commitment - so I don't think a _lot_ of hippied turned into
>hackers.
>Although I guess the same thing, about starting early, is true of
>really
>serious musicians.)
>
>   > "The real legacy of the 60s generation is the Computer Revolution"
>
>Well, there is something to that (and I think others have made this
>observation). The hippie mentality had a lot of influence on everyone
>in that
>generation - including the computer nerds/hackers. Now, the hackers may
>have
>had a larger, impact, long-term, than the hippies did - but in some
>sense a
>lot of hippie ideals are reflected in the stuff a lot of hackers built:
>today's computer revolution can be seen as hippie idealism filtered
>through
>computer nerds...
>
>But remember things like this, from the dust-jacket of the biography of
>Prof. Licklider:
>
>"More than a decade will pass before personal computers emerge from the
> garages of Silicon Valley, and a full thirty years before the Internet
> explosion of the 1990s. The word computer still has an ominous tone,
>conjuring up the image of a huge, intimidating device hidden away in an
>over-lit, air-conditioned basement, relentlessly processing punch cards
>for
>some large institution: _them_. Yet, sitting in a nondescript office in
>McNamara's Pentagon, a quiet ... civilian is already planning the
>revolution
> that will change forever the way computers are perceived. Somehow, the
>occupant of that office ... has seen a future in which computers will
>empower
>individuals, instead of forcing them into rigid conformity. He is
>almost
> alone in his conviction that computers can become not just super-fast
>calculating machines, but joyful machines: tools that will serve as new
>media
>of expression, inspirations to creativity, and gateways to a vast world
>of
> online information.
>
>Now, technically Lick wasn't a hippie (he was, after all, 40 years old
>in
>1965), and he sure didn't have a lot of hippie-like attributes - but he
>was,
>in some ways, an ideological close relative of some hippies.
>
>	Noel

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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens [this message]
2017-03-23 10:13   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08     ` Jason Stevens
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-03-27  3:36 Doug McIlroy
2017-03-26  3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29       ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27  4:20     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26  4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-26  3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26  3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26  3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35     ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05     ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26  1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
     [not found]   ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26  4:46     ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26  2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26  3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23  8:56   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21  1:24   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20     ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21  1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05     ` ron minnich
2017-03-21  2:51       ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28       ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18         ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51           ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  0:18             ` Josh Good
2017-03-24  0:27               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  1:03                 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  1:05                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  2:33                   ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:17                     ` Random832
2017-03-24  5:37                     ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33                       ` Random832
     [not found]                     ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25  0:41                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25  5:01                         ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48                           ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:14                   ` Random832
2017-03-24  6:06                     ` ron minnich
2017-03-25  0:02                       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25  0:42                         ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24  7:23                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55                       ` Josh Good
2017-03-25  3:55                         ` ron minnich
2017-03-25  4:52                           ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48                             ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51                           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26                           ` Josh Good
2017-03-26  2:52                             ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55                     ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53                       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24  2:33                 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24  3:53                 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24  7:15                 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24  7:37                   ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24  8:06                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22                       ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09                           ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34                       ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09                       ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21  0:10       ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21  2:09         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27       ` Dave Horsfall

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