From: akosela@andykosela.com (Andy Kosela)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:05:43 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALMnNGg68z28_WmrHViSQCm8CULpB0rc5mtCROwxQatPSjXFVA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170326164030.GF20717@mcvoy.com>
On Sunday, March 26, 2017, Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 09:26:00AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > P.S. A fun example of the simplicity of the
> > plan9 network API is this implementation of rlogin:
> > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/rsc/rlogin
>
> So while that is really neat, I personally think that's part of why Plan 9
> didn't take off. It's too clever, at least for me. I know the rlogin
> code pretty well and if you showed me that code and asked me what it was,
> without the comments, I don't think I would have put it together. On
> the other hand, show me the C code and I'd be able to figure it out.
>
> It's perhaps because I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I really
> like how blindingly obvious a lot of the original Unix code was. Not
> saying
> it was all that way, but a ton of it was sort of what you would imagine it
> to be before you saw it. Which means I understood it and could bugfix it.
>
>
A lot of original UNIX code was simple, but we ended up with 272 lines of
bloat in echo.c[1]. That bloat started to creep in already in the
beginning
when Rob Pike formulated his famous presentation on cat(1)[2]. I also
think that sockets implementation was the turning point.
Plan 9 was probably the last truly dedicated effort to keep it simple using
the UNIX way of doing things. I much prefer reading its code than GNU
or FreeBSD. I think the world really needs a Unix operating system which
is as simple and elegant as Plan 9.
[1] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/coreutils.git/tree/src/echo.c
[2] http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/unix_prog_design.pdf
--Andy
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2017-03-26 3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26 3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35 ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05 ` Andy Kosela [this message]
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2017-03-27 3:36 Doug McIlroy
2017-03-26 3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26 4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-26 1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
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2017-03-26 4:46 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26 2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23 8:56 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
[not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21 1:24 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21 1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05 ` ron minnich
2017-03-21 2:51 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18 ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 0:18 ` Josh Good
2017-03-24 0:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 1:03 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:17 ` Random832
2017-03-24 5:37 ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33 ` Random832
[not found] ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25 0:41 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25 5:01 ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:14 ` Random832
2017-03-24 6:06 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 0:02 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25 0:42 ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24 7:23 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-25 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 4:52 ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26 ` Josh Good
2017-03-26 2:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55 ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 3:53 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 7:15 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 7:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24 8:06 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22 ` Dan Cross
[not found] ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21 0:10 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21 2:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27 ` Dave Horsfall
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