From: downing.nick@gmail.com (Nick Downing)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 13:51:38 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH1jEzZnPCRabTOfhNTg2G3mC5BBxMRWkXKq0kOK5aoEODZ4jQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP6exY+DHdf2BZYy=40wLjYabtkeKOtbp3aWMkwdaDmLFYhR2A@mail.gmail.com>
For me the nerd stage was a bit like the caterpillar whereas the hippy
stage was the butterfly. So you know, I'm a proud ex-nerd and a proud
ex-hippy, however I moved past both things a long time ago. If my kids
were to become nerds or hippies though, I would understand, since we
all need to make our own mistakes to move forward. As to the other
topic of Ron's post, well "small is beautiful" continues here, however
I find my ideas not gaining much currency on this forum. That could
be, because it's a historical forum rather than a "how to develop and
improve unix" forum. Or it could be, because people after using
something for a lifetime tend to take for granted a lot of the design
ideas in it.
cheers, Nick
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 10:05 AM, ron minnich <rminnich at gmail.com> wrote:
> At the time I got into Unix in 1976, E. F. Schumacher's "Small is Beautiful"
> book was fairly popular, with IBM and the BUNCH as the bloated counterpoint
> (OS/MVS kernels were 256K!), and the idea of Unix as the small is beautiful
> operating system was a common theme.
>
> It wasn't really about small. Small was the happy result of a way of
> approaching problems. It was about putting in the time to think things
> through, rather than just emitting gobs of code. Hence a common theme was
> the idea you did your best to avoid writing code by spending time working
> things through. RK05s, 16 bit address space, and Decwriter II terminals
> tended to encourage that kind of economy. Those days are long gone of
> course; I noticed the other day that on Linux there are 16 commands that
> start with ls, that do roughly the same function, and nobody seems to think
> this is a bad thing. The only place the original 'small is beautiful' Unix
> ideas continue on that I know of is Plan 9.
>
> ron
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 3:32 PM Ron Natalie <ron at ronnatalie.com> wrote:
>>
>> Just a bunch of Unix-smoking dope gurus.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TUHS [mailto:tuhs-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of Dave
>> Horsfall
>> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:11 PM
>> To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society
>> Subject: Re: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
>>
>> Well, I certainly had long hair and a beard (still do, at 64!), a Unix
>> user
>> since about 1976 (basically when it first arrived in Australia), and have
>> "liberal" views (as in: not conservative); does that count?
>>
>> --
>> Dave Horsfall DTM (VK2KFU) "Those who don't understand security will
>> suffer."
>>
>
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05 ` ron minnich
2017-03-21 2:51 ` Nick Downing [this message]
2017-03-21 20:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18 ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 0:18 ` Josh Good
2017-03-24 0:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 1:03 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:17 ` Random832
2017-03-24 5:37 ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33 ` Random832
[not found] ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25 0:41 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25 5:01 ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:14 ` Random832
2017-03-24 6:06 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 0:02 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25 0:42 ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24 7:23 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-25 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 4:52 ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26 ` Josh Good
2017-03-26 2:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55 ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 3:53 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 7:15 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 7:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24 8:06 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22 ` Dan Cross
[not found] ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21 0:10 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21 2:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
[not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21 1:24 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21 1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23 8:56 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
[not found] ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26 4:46 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26 2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26 3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35 ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05 ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26 3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26 4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-27 3:36 Doug McIlroy
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