From: rminnich@gmail.com (ron minnich)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:03:03 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exYK__gOcSb8YSz_3KYZvG5DEV0cvDAqqEdtJ95TF=tG+kQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170324002754.GW23802@mcvoy.com>
On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:28 PM Larry McVoy <lm at mcvoy.com> wrote:
>
>
> I think Ron is just in Grumpy Old Man mode (he's a friend, we go way back,
> so I get to say that :)
>
> Personally, I sort of get the ls<something> model. ls is how you list
> things, <something> is how you say what you want to list. Is it Unix
> like? Hmm, perhaps not.
>
like larry said. I'm a grumpy old man. And lspci is not Unix. And neither
is anything we use nowadays that begins with ls and has more than 2 letters.
In Unix, resources have names. They are visible in a name space, organized
into directories. The names can be enumerated by opening and reading a
directory. Information about them can be determined with stat. Their
contents can be read by open and read. They can be changed with open and
write.
it's a pretty simple and consistent model. And it works just fine with,
e.g., the the Plan 9 pnp device. From my point of view, if a user needs
lspci to enumerate PCI resources, it's because the kernel has fallen down
on the job by failing to support the Unix model.
I can argue this point all day, but I'll let it go at that :-)
thanks
ron
p.s. It's not you, it's me. "You, sir, are a curmudgeon" -- Rob Pike, to
me, on 9fans. As a result of this note, while I was at Los Alamos I was
assigned curmudgeon at lanl.gov. Made my day.
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2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05 ` ron minnich
2017-03-21 2:51 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28 ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18 ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24 0:18 ` Josh Good
2017-03-24 0:27 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 1:03 ` ron minnich [this message]
2017-03-24 1:05 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:17 ` Random832
2017-03-24 5:37 ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33 ` Random832
[not found] ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25 0:41 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25 5:01 ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24 5:14 ` Random832
2017-03-24 6:06 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 0:02 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25 0:42 ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24 7:23 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55 ` Josh Good
2017-03-25 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-25 4:52 ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26 ` Josh Good
2017-03-26 2:52 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55 ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 2:33 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 3:53 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 7:15 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 7:37 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24 8:06 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22 ` Dan Cross
[not found] ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21 0:10 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21 2:09 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
[not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21 1:24 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21 1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23 8:56 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13 ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00 ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
[not found] ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26 4:46 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26 2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26 3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26 3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35 ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05 ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26 3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26 3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31 ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06 ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27 4:20 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26 4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-27 3:36 Doug McIlroy
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