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From: rminnich@gmail.com (ron minnich)
Subject: [TUHS] Were all of you.. Hippies?
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 03:55:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAP6exYJUNxn9Aj0GkdgSXu4KgatovS0-=4CrQfBJr-BCYZfgdw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170324235556.GA29323@naleco.com>

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 4:56 PM Josh Good <pepe at naleco.com> wrote:

>
>
> Which brings up a question I have: why didn't UNIX implement ethernet
> network interfaces as file names in the filesystem? Was that "novelty" a
> BDS development straying away from AT&T UNIX?
>
>

See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc681, section 4j:
 FILEDES = OPEN( "/DEV/NET/HARV",2 );

People were thinking about it. There was no shortage of people at the time
who were struggling to find a way to make the Unix model work for
networking (not me, I had no clue; I was just an interested observer). It
didn't quite work out and as a result we were left with the non-unix-like
socket interface we have today, and a feeling among many of us that we'd
missed an opportunity.

It's really hard to get this stuff right, and the approach outlined in the
RFC is not really what you want. Rob had a nice talk 20+ years ago about
the right and wrong way to do this; I can't find it and he can't find it,
and I keep hoping it'll appear.

It's a shame that Unix did not get a Unix-like model for networking, but
maybe it was just too soon.

ron
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Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-20 21:48 Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-20 22:10 ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:32   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-20 23:05     ` ron minnich
2017-03-21  2:51       ` Nick Downing
2017-03-21 20:28       ` Josh Good
2017-03-23 20:18         ` Michael Parson
2017-03-23 20:51           ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  0:18             ` Josh Good
2017-03-24  0:27               ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  1:03                 ` ron minnich
2017-03-24  1:05                   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-24  2:33                   ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:17                     ` Random832
2017-03-24  5:37                     ` Erik E. Fair
2017-03-24 13:33                       ` Random832
     [not found]                     ` <20170324034915.GA23802@mcvoy.com>
2017-03-25  0:41                       ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-25  5:01                         ` Random832
2017-03-25 12:48                           ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-24  5:14                   ` Random832
2017-03-24  6:06                     ` ron minnich
2017-03-25  0:02                       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-25  0:42                         ` Toby Thain
2017-03-24  7:23                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 23:55                       ` Josh Good
2017-03-25  3:55                         ` ron minnich [this message]
2017-03-25  4:52                           ` Steve Johnson
2017-03-25 13:48                             ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-25 18:51                           ` Clem Cole
2017-03-25 22:26                           ` Josh Good
2017-03-26  2:52                             ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24 10:21                   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24 13:55                     ` Random832
2017-03-24 14:53                       ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-24  2:33                 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24  3:53                 ` Clem Cole
2017-03-24  7:15                 ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24  7:37                   ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-24  8:06                     ` shawn wilson
2017-03-24 15:22                       ` Dan Cross
     [not found]                         ` <CALMnNGj6jcM5E1jJtxSnhnyQPBV7Hn4B06=tm1vv0TfKV=Bs1A@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-24 22:09                           ` Dan Cross
2017-03-24 15:34                       ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 15:30                     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-24 17:09                       ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-20 23:08     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-21  0:10       ` Dan Cross
2017-03-21  2:09         ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-22 12:50     ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-22 15:27       ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-20 22:17 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-21 12:19 ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-21 12:48 ` arnold
2017-03-21 13:29 ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-23 10:13   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2017-03-23 12:08     ` Jason Stevens
2017-03-20 23:28 Doug McIlroy
     [not found] ` <CAH_OBifeRyD__=TKTa=bMtFBMg9LsrCOyB+sSrO54Ezc-+zJbw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-21  1:24   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-21 16:20     ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-21  1:45 ` Derrik Walker v2.0
2017-03-22 17:49 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-22 22:35 ` Nick Downing
2017-03-23  8:56   ` shawn wilson
2017-03-23 13:13     ` Chet Ramey
2017-03-23 14:00   ` Tim Bradshaw
2017-03-23 16:22 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-23 23:40 ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-24 13:41 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  1:16 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  1:35 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  1:45 ` Kurt H Maier
     [not found]   ` <CAH1jEzb=ZzPMT6YWg9pbR4T=s_ckB4YFsBJnefj8AEatdBY_MQ@mail.gmail.com>
2017-03-26  4:46     ` Nick Downing
2017-03-26  2:49 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26  3:01 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  3:11 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:17 ` Andrew Warkentin
2017-03-26  3:21 ` Kurt H Maier
2017-03-26  3:49 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26  3:55 ` ron minnich
2017-03-26 16:26 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2017-03-26 16:40   ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 18:35     ` Steve Simon
2017-03-26 20:05     ` Andy Kosela
2017-03-26  3:32 Noel Chiappa
2017-03-26  3:51 ` Dan Cross
2017-03-26 11:31   ` Ron Natalie
2017-03-26 22:06     ` Larry McVoy
2017-03-26 23:29       ` Wesley Parish
2017-03-27  4:20     ` Dave Horsfall
2017-03-26  4:31 ` Warner Losh
2017-03-27  3:36 Doug McIlroy

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