* [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently @ 2018-08-26 0:31 Warren Toomey 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Warren Toomey @ 2018-08-26 0:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. It's been suggested that we, the TUHS members, both lobby the board and also offer our assistance to help organisation such a celebration. Who, on the list, would put their hands up to help organising something that coincided with the 2019 Usenix ATC in July 2019? I'd like to get the bare bones of an organising team, then approach the Usenix board, offer our help and ask them to support us. What do you think? 11 months to go. Thanks, Warren P.S. Nokia Bell Labs are also going to organise something, possibly a month earlier but I have no solid details yet. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 0:31 [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently Warren Toomey @ 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2018-08-26 1:31 ` Larry McVoy 2018-08-26 2:03 ` Clem Cole 2018-08-26 2:47 ` Dave Horsfall ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2018-08-26 1:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: tuhs Warren Toomey writes: > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. Why not?!? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2018-08-26 1:31 ` Larry McVoy 2018-08-26 2:03 ` Clem Cole 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2018-08-26 1:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lyndon Nerenberg; +Cc: tuhs On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 06:04:24PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > Warren Toomey writes: > > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want > > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. > > Why not?!? I had composed a reply and thought it was snarky, but what the heck. There is a reason I stopped going to Usenix and this is just more evidence that I made the right choice. For those who care, here's the back story (and Clem fixed this but long after I had pulled out). Somewhere in the 1990's Victor Yodaiken wrote a really cool paper. I was one of the reviewers and Rob Gingell was as well (Rob was a Sun Fellow which was the equiv of a VP but in the technical track. Great guy, I had and have much respect for him). Victor's paper was about how to do real time and a time sharing system at the same time. If you know operating systems you know that real time and time sharing don't mix, people keep trying to mix them and it doesn't really work. The real time people talk about "good enough" but the people who know math and operating systems know that you can't truly get both. Victor got both. He did it by creating a real time kernel that ran Linux, all of Linux, the kernel and user space, as the real time kernel's idle process. Linux disabled interrupts, the RT kernel was like, yeah, sure you did. It was brilliant. It worked. I've seen demos where Linux is running xperfmon, some other compute load, tarring up /home and untarring on an NFS server, in other words, beating the crap out of the hardware, and the RT kernel never missed an event. Rob was part of the good old boys club that was Unix. He had never heard of Victor and he rejected the paper while I was a big fan (I believe this paper was how I met Victor, I sought him out). Rob came up with some noise about how the RT kernel wasn't POSIX compliant (duh, then it wouldn't be real time) but the real reason, I believe, was that Victor wasn't part of the good old boys club. Roll forward some years and I'm the chair of Linux expo. It was 1998, early days, but it was apparent that Linux was a thing. And it was a Unix thing that wasn't part of Usenix. Ellie (or someone, maybe Honeyman, was he part of the board?) came to me and asked me to pull the Linux folks into Usenix. They offered me "anything" I wanted, be on the board, be on the review committee, etc. What I asked for was nothing for me, but something for everyone, blind peer reviews of paper submissions. They said no and I've not been to a Usenix conference since. Clem says he cleaned house but still, it's not blind reviews to this day so far as I know. And it's a huge shame. The world should have gotten to see Victor's brilliant have your cake and eat it too real time / time sharing idea. It didn't because of the old boys club and that's a bummer. No disrespect to Rob, I think he was just in that space and sort of knee jerked, he's a good guy, I think he just made a bad call that time. --lm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2018-08-26 1:31 ` Larry McVoy @ 2018-08-26 2:03 ` Clem Cole 2018-08-26 2:34 ` Larry McVoy 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2018-08-26 2:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lyndon Nerenberg; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 4463 bytes --] On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:11 PM Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote: > Warren Toomey writes: > > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want > > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. > > Why not?!? > Before I reply to the list, I also know some people on this list have a distaste for some of the USENIX folks. There were some problems in the past with at least one important employee. That has been corrected, but the 'institutional memory' was also some what sacrificed as people such as my self got a little burned out dealing with the issues. That said, they are good people and they have changed which is good. But they are primarily a more academic focused lot and as such, few of the people that understand the value (much less were there) are activity involved. That said, I made a proposal at the last BOD meeting in June that we do something 'special' at the next USENIX. I had a vetted the proposal with Warren as well as a with a number of previous BOD members, including a couple of past presidents. I thought it made a lot of sense as did others. Unfortunately, while it may be here, history for the sake of history is not all that interesting to them. So, the basic pitch is that until UNIX came about, OSses were all over the map and everything was a different. Except for UNIX nothing from those days really is left except maybe Fortran and that only for HPC. Yet, today in most days, you (computer person or mortal) can hardly not be using a UNIX system, from your cell phone, IoT devices, car, to search and Internet services. No other part of computing has had such an effect and been as pervasive and lastest. We need to celebrate how that happened and try to remember some of the important things and people that made it so. The boards response has been: *"**... agrees that we should acknowledge this milestone appropriately. After much discussion, they concluded that USENIX will do so throughout the course of its regularly scheduled and budgeted activities.'' *Basically they want to say something at opening session and maybe acknowledge a few people that come to ACT next summer, but nothing like what we talked about. I wanted to have a party at the History Museum in Seattle (ACT will be in Renton). The problem is that ACT no longer has a big party mid week, so they don't have an event for this to occur. Plus much of the board did a little bit of a huh? which in my translation is - "if it does not help us academically, tell me why we need to do this again?" BTW: One of the other thing that I socialized was how this community was always open and inviting to people regardless of sexual orientation, race, creed etc. There have been disagreements (which Larry can regale you on a few as I know he holds a certain people responsible for bad things, ushc as how the Linux community was handled). But I wanted to try to see if we could get some of the important women, not just the men (i.e. the Systers) as well as some of the folks from the LGBQ community that were a part. It's an interesting social history as well as technical one. My reply to the official email from Casey and Carolyn was: *"**I do think you should do something over and above. As I said, I know a lot of people are 'up' for it and what to do we be apart and keep asking what can they do/what is going to be done. There has been a bit of discussion on the TUHS mailing list. As I said, I've been in contract with Lou Katz, the first USENIX President, and Debbie S (who was an early President) and Andrew Hume (also ex-President). All have expressed interest in helping and think it would be a great idea to do something 'special' both to recognize but also because it should be fun."* I believe the BOD will support a BOF, but they are not going to fund bring people back or anything over and beyond or an external party (although I'm not opposed to asking a few people like Rich Adams who made $s with UNIX to help us fund something). So my comment to Warren was basically this thought: if we try to make sure people are there and we set something up, I know we can have BOF. But if we plan it and arrange it and maybe we hit bod@usenix.org with email we can do something. I've been looking for a good intro to the folks in Seattle, as I still think a party there would be the best - but we need permission and then we need to find a way to fund it. Clem [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 7687 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 2:03 ` Clem Cole @ 2018-08-26 2:34 ` Larry McVoy 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Larry McVoy @ 2018-08-26 2:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Clem Cole; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society > BTW: One of the other thing that I socialized was how this community was > always open and inviting to people regardless of sexual orientation, race, > creed etc. There have been disagreements (which Larry can regale you on a > few as I know he holds a certain people responsible for bad things, ushc as > how the Linux community was handled). But I wanted to try to see if we > could get some of the important women, not just the men (i.e. the Systers) > as well as some of the folks from the LGBQ community that were a part. > It's an interesting social history as well as technical one. I want just want to add to this comment Clem. You are spot on in my experience. It's one of the bright spots of our industry, in my opinion (I can imagine that there are people who will disagree, this is just what I've seen). In my experience, nobody cared if you were male, female, gay, lesbian, transgender, whatever, it was all cool if you could figure out this kernel panic, we'll kiss your ass (well, maybe not that but we'll buy dinner at Harry's Hafbrau and that's better than a kiss). I've watched a tech writer go from female to dude to female and nobody cared, she was a good tech writer. I'm sure there are people that will disagree but the world I lived in was super welcoming to people being different, all we cared about was can you do your job. --lm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 0:31 [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently Warren Toomey 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2018-08-26 2:47 ` Dave Horsfall 2018-08-26 4:10 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o 2018-08-26 5:29 ` Kurt H Maier 2018-08-31 21:47 ` [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, (yet) Clem Cole 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2018-08-26 2:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenix board of directors do not want > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. What on earth are they smoking? Or is it something in the water? [...] > What do you think? 11 months to go. I'd love to help out in any way that I can, but now that I'm officially an Aged Pensioner I seem to be flat out for some reason... And yes, I really must get that ACSnet (and UUCP) node going, but now that I have time for Amateur radio (and electronics in general) I really must clean off my workbench so that I can see my dining table again (and it's just as well that I'm divorced, as otherwise I soon would be). -- Dave VK2KFU ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 2:47 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2018-08-26 4:10 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o 2018-09-05 21:31 ` Diomidis Spinellis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Theodore Y. Ts'o @ 2018-08-26 4:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:47:45PM +1000, Dave Horsfall wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, Warren Toomey wrote: > > > Hi all, I've just heard that the Usenixh board of directors do not want > > to explicitly celebrate the 50th anniversary of Unix. > > What on earth are they smoking? Or is it something in the water? Reading between lines from Clem's message, I wonder if it is a money issue? Usenix has become very academic focused, and for better or for worse the Linux Foundation has provided many conference facilitation services for various industry initiatives that go beyond Linux (e.g., software defined networking, RISC-V, etc.) As a result Usenix might not have the resources that it did a decade or two ago. In another reality these industry initiatives might have been something that Usenix had gotten involved in, and which would have made it much more relevant to the industry. Unfortunately, I believe that there were many "old-time Usenix" folk who felt very threatened by Linux, and thought that it wasn't sufficiently academic, and didn't sufficiently acknowledge the debt that was owed to their elders. The question I would raise is whether some kind of 50th celebration has to be colocated with Usenix ATC, especially if the Usenix BoD is not innterested in lending much in the way of financial or staff support. For example, maybe something combined with some kind of fund-raising event held at the Compute History Museum in the Bay Area? Or perhaps the Linux Foundation might be willing to do a Unix 50th celebration at their 2019 Open Source Summit event? It does seem to me that Usenix ought to have the right of first refusal to host such a celebration, but if the Board isn't willing to step it up, there are other possibilities that could be explored. - Ted ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 4:10 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o @ 2018-09-05 21:31 ` Diomidis Spinellis 2018-09-06 0:23 ` Clem cole 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Diomidis Spinellis @ 2018-09-05 21:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society On 26/08/2018 07:10, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: [...] > The question I would raise is whether some kind of 50th celebration > has to be colocated with Usenix ATC, especially if the Usenix BoD is > not innterested in lending much in the way of financial or staff > support. For example, maybe something combined with some kind of > fund-raising event held at the Compute History Museum in the Bay Area? > > Or perhaps the Linux Foundation might be willing to do a Unix 50th > celebration at their 2019 Open Source Summit event? > > It does seem to me that Usenix ought to have the right of first > refusal to host such a celebration, but if the Board isn't willing to > step it up, there are other possibilities that could be explored. One possibility might be to propose a "50th Unix Anniversary" Developer Room at FOSDEM 2019 [1]. FOSDEM is a free event for software developers to meet, share ideas and collaborate. It takes place every year with thousands of developers of free and open source software from all over the world gathering in Brussels. Our room can be used to host presentations related to topics such as the Unix history, the 50th anniversary, and the reconstruction efforts of historic editions. The many *BSD and Linux folks that attend FOSDEM together with thousands of other open source aficionados provide an excellent audience for our event. We can also combine the presentations with a TUHS stand where we can display running historic software. The deadline for room proposals is September 20th and for stands November 2nd [2]. FOSDEM is entirely organized by volunteers and attendance is free without registration. We don't have to pay anything for the room and the stand, but we also can't expect any funding from the organizers for flying people in. [1] https://fosdem.org/2019/ [2] https://fosdem.org/2019/news/2018-08-10-call-for-participation/ Diomidis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-09-05 21:31 ` Diomidis Spinellis @ 2018-09-06 0:23 ` Clem cole 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem cole @ 2018-09-06 0:23 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Diomidis Spinellis; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society I’ll ok into it. Sent from my PDP-7 Running UNIX V0 expect things to be almost but not quite. > On Sep 5, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Diomidis Spinellis <dds@aueb.gr> wrote: > >> On 26/08/2018 07:10, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: >> [...] >> The question I would raise is whether some kind of 50th celebration >> has to be colocated with Usenix ATC, especially if the Usenix BoD is >> not innterested in lending much in the way of financial or staff >> support. For example, maybe something combined with some kind of >> fund-raising event held at the Compute History Museum in the Bay Area? >> Or perhaps the Linux Foundation might be willing to do a Unix 50th >> celebration at their 2019 Open Source Summit event? >> It does seem to me that Usenix ought to have the right of first >> refusal to host such a celebration, but if the Board isn't willing to >> step it up, there are other possibilities that could be explored. > > One possibility might be to propose a "50th Unix Anniversary" Developer Room at FOSDEM 2019 [1]. FOSDEM is a free event for software developers to meet, share ideas and collaborate. It takes place every year with thousands of developers of free and open source software from all over the world gathering in Brussels. > > Our room can be used to host presentations related to topics such as the Unix history, the 50th anniversary, and the reconstruction efforts of historic editions. The many *BSD and Linux folks that attend FOSDEM together with thousands of other open source aficionados provide an excellent audience for our event. We can also combine the presentations with a TUHS stand where we can display running historic software. > > The deadline for room proposals is September 20th and for stands November 2nd [2]. FOSDEM is entirely organized by volunteers and attendance is free without registration. We don't have to pay anything for the room and the stand, but we also can't expect any funding from the organizers for flying people in. > > [1] https://fosdem.org/2019/ > [2] https://fosdem.org/2019/news/2018-08-10-call-for-participation/ > > Diomidis ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 0:31 [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently Warren Toomey 2018-08-26 1:04 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2018-08-26 2:47 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2018-08-26 5:29 ` Kurt H Maier 2018-08-28 11:54 ` Kevin Bowling 2018-08-31 21:47 ` [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, (yet) Clem Cole 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Kurt H Maier @ 2018-08-26 5:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: tuhs On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 10:31:27AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > What do you think? 11 months to go. > > Thanks, Warren > > P.S. Nokia Bell Labs are also going to organise something, possibly a month > earlier but I have no solid details yet. Unsenix stopped being Usenix when they rode SAGE into the ground and chased out all the sysadmins. I appreciate the efforts of a lot of people there to keep the flag up, but I've never understood the decision to try to become ACM Lite (pastes great, less filling). I'm super interested in what Bell Labs has planned, and anything happening at the Living Computer Museum as well. Maybe if we ask nicely they'll let us play with the Blit! khm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-26 5:29 ` Kurt H Maier @ 2018-08-28 11:54 ` Kevin Bowling 2018-08-28 23:30 ` Dave Horsfall 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Kevin Bowling @ 2018-08-28 11:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Kurt H Maier; +Cc: tuhs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1212 bytes --] This is all so asinine it sounds like it’s run by a random haughty social club of people far detached from systems and UNIX and especially far from publishing systems papers that actually advance the art. Sometimes it is necessary to let an org know it’s become a joke. I’d prefer to attend and assist with something not affiliated with Usenix after reading this thread. On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:36 PM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote: > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 10:31:27AM +1000, Warren Toomey wrote: > > > > What do you think? 11 months to go. > > > > Thanks, Warren > > > > P.S. Nokia Bell Labs are also going to organise something, possibly a > month > > earlier but I have no solid details yet. > > > Unsenix stopped being Usenix when they rode SAGE into the ground and > chased out all the sysadmins. I appreciate the efforts of a lot of > people there to keep the flag up, but I've never understood the decision > to try to become ACM Lite (pastes great, less filling). > > I'm super interested in what Bell Labs has planned, and anything > happening at the Living Computer Museum as well. Maybe if we ask nicely > they'll let us play with the Blit! > > khm > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1543 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-28 11:54 ` Kevin Bowling @ 2018-08-28 23:30 ` Dave Horsfall 2018-08-28 23:37 ` George Michaelson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Dave Horsfall @ 2018-08-28 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 885 bytes --] I know that I'll probably get into trouble for writing this (I'm a born stirrer, coming from a military family), but... On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Kevin Bowling wrote: > This is all so asinine it sounds like it’s run by a random haughty > social club of people far detached from systems and UNIX and especially > far from publishing systems papers that actually advance the art. > Sometimes it is necessary to let an org know it’s become a joke. I’d > prefer to attend and assist with something not affiliated with Usenix > after reading this thread. I'm having trouble thinking of an OS (still in current use) that has remained *mostly* unchanged over 50 years. Yes, Unix has certainly evolved, but is still recognisable as "do one thing, and do it well". It's just a shame that they seem to have broken the other philosophy of "everything looks like a file". -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently 2018-08-28 23:30 ` Dave Horsfall @ 2018-08-28 23:37 ` George Michaelson 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: George Michaelson @ 2018-08-28 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Dave Horsfall; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society sockets broke that. ioctl() always felt like special magic to me, but sockets+ioctl is not just special magic, its arcane. I think part of the problem is that a network binding actually isn't "just like a file" because it incudes things like out of order delivery, and control (side) channel. TBF, sparse files and network file systems is another place things broke down. For some reason, device-special and sparse files wound up being in the too hard basket for network mounts. I know Lindsay Marshall of old, so have a soft spot for the newcastle connections (.../mounthost/path/to/file) syntax. I always liked this. On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:30 AM Dave Horsfall <dave@horsfall.org> wrote: > > I know that I'll probably get into trouble for writing this (I'm a born > stirrer, coming from a military family), but... > > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018, Kevin Bowling wrote: > > > This is all so asinine it sounds like it’s run by a random haughty > > social club of people far detached from systems and UNIX and especially > > far from publishing systems papers that actually advance the art. > > Sometimes it is necessary to let an org know it’s become a joke. I’d > > prefer to attend and assist with something not affiliated with Usenix > > after reading this thread. > > I'm having trouble thinking of an OS (still in current use) that has > remained *mostly* unchanged over 50 years. Yes, Unix has certainly > evolved, but is still recognisable as "do one thing, and do it well". > > It's just a shame that they seem to have broken the other philosophy of > "everything looks like a file". > > -- Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, (yet) 2018-08-26 0:31 [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, apparently Warren Toomey ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2018-08-26 5:29 ` Kurt H Maier @ 2018-08-31 21:47 ` Clem Cole 2018-12-26 21:49 ` reed 3 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Clem Cole @ 2018-08-31 21:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Warren Toomey; +Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 629 bytes --] I do not want to say too much yet --- but I am making progress. As people have determined on this list, there are some real financial realities. Warren asked me a question -- I answered it. There is nothing (yet) official. But some things have occurred in the last few days that are encouraging. I will keep you all posted as it progresses. What you can do it to say to bod@usenix.org you would like to see it happen, particularly if you are a member of the organization (feel free to CC me). They need to hear that it is worthwhile and something they should spend some effort and money doing. Clem ᐧ [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1547 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, (yet) 2018-08-31 21:47 ` [TUHS] Usenix: no official Unix 50th celebration, (yet) Clem Cole @ 2018-12-26 21:49 ` reed 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: reed @ 2018-12-26 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society I thought I read a different email saying that there will be a track about the 50th anniversary. But cannot find any details or reference to it now. Does anyone have information about Unix 50th celebration(s)? Is it time for paper submissions? ... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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