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From: Jon Steinhart <jon@fourwinds.com>
To: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 09:39:58 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201811161739.wAGHdw3O023003@darkstar.fourwinds.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181116171318.GC30000@mcvoy.com>

Thanks Doug for accidentally starting this thread :-)

I'm a big fan of the "original-style" man pages.  Brevity was really
important when working remote and having to look things up via a
TI Silent 700 at 30 characters per second.

I feel like the GNU project is responsible for destroying the usefulness
of man pages with their "info" stuff.  Nothing more helpful than getting
a man page that says that it's not the man page and that one should look
elsewhere using a different and very clunky program.  Started the decline
of being able to find everything in one place in a consistent manner.

And just to rant, I really hate documentation that begins with how to get,
build, and install software.  I think that most folks looking at docs are
wanting to know how to use it, and having to skip over the least-important
stuff which is first is annoying, especially when one gets past it to
discover that the rest of the doc was never written.

Anyway, the sake of argument, I'm gonna postulate that the more recent,
useless man pages are a sympton of poor software design.  I'll make the
claim that the loss of the "do one thing and do it well and make it
composable" UNIX philosophy is exposed in many of the very complex
utilities with huge numbers of dash options.

Jon

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-16 18:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-16  0:03 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  4:50 ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16  5:32   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16  6:03     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 15:33       ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 15:37         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-16 15:48           ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 18:47           ` Tom Manos
2018-11-17  3:29         ` Andy Kosela
2018-11-16 16:55       ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 17:13         ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 17:31           ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 20:45             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:33           ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 17:36             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:39           ` Jon Steinhart [this message]
2018-11-16 18:57             ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 17:29         ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 20:52           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:55             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:56             ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:05               ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:09                 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-19  2:53                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  5:59                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:00                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:13               ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-16 22:24                 ` Clem Cole
2018-11-17  7:50                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19  2:58                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  3:11                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19  3:21                     ` George Michaelson
2018-11-19  3:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-19  6:13                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:06                       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19 15:35                     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 15:41                       ` David
2018-11-19 17:06                         ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19 17:39                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-19 18:40                         ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 22:08                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-20  6:52                           ` arnold
2018-11-20  7:10                             ` Otto Moerbeek
2018-11-28  0:09                       ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  0:36                         ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-28  0:57                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  1:26                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-29  7:25                         ` arnold
2018-11-29 18:20                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:52                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-03  6:52                             ` arnold
2018-11-19 13:08                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-11-19 13:20                     ` Donald ODona
2018-11-19  7:05                 ` Warner Losh
2018-11-19  7:20                   ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-19 16:48                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-28  0:10                     ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:48                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:13                         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-29 19:28                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:32                           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-29 19:36                             ` Warner Losh
2018-11-29 19:40                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-30 14:55                         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-30 15:05                           ` [TUHS] Upas rewrite little language William Cheswick
2018-11-30 22:58                           ` [TUHS] man-page style Dave Horsfall
2018-12-01 23:24                             ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-12-01 19:53                           ` arnold
2018-12-01 21:26                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02  7:22                               ` [TUHS] Ease (was Re: man-page style) arnold
2018-12-02  7:32                                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02 17:22                                   ` arnold
2018-11-17 14:49               ` [TUHS] man-page style Michael Parson
2018-11-17 21:07                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:59             ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:24               ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 21:29                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 21:35                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  2:59                   ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:28               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-16 21:37               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 23:38               ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-11-18  0:31                 ` Donald ODona
2018-11-18  3:00                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  3:09                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-18  5:01                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  5:29                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  0:40                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-16 21:12             ` emanuel stiebler
2018-11-16 18:00         ` Warner Losh
2018-11-16 18:16         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 19:35           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 22:25         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-17  0:25           ` Earl Baugh
2018-11-16 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 18:16       ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:14   ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:21     ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-17 19:42       ` arnold
2018-11-17 20:02       ` Noel Hunt
2018-11-17 20:36       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-19  3:05       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16  5:24 ` Anthony Martin
2018-11-16  1:43 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  3:18 ` Rob Pike
2018-11-16  3:38   ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2018-11-16  3:50     ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 13:29       ` Mike Markowski
2018-11-16 13:44         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 14:02         ` Harald Arnesen
2018-11-16  6:38   ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 13:42     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 19:05 ` Nemo
2018-11-16 19:29 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-16 20:46 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-17 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-19  3:02 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  4:15   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-19 22:18     ` Michael Parson
2018-11-20  0:55       ` George Michaelson
2018-11-19  4:43   ` Kurt H Maier
2018-12-01 20:52 Norman Wilson
2018-12-01 21:34 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-01 23:09 Norman Wilson
2018-12-02  2:37 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02  2:44   ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-02  2:59     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02 22:30 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:05   ` Warner Losh
2018-12-04  7:48     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:14   ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-03  1:30     ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-04 21:34         ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 22:11           ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-05  6:50           ` Pierre DAVID
2018-12-28  6:32           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  6:53   ` arnold
2018-12-02  3:24 Norman Wilson

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