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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
To: mparson@bl.org
Cc: The Eunuchs Hysterical Society <tuhs@tuhs.org>
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 10:55:41 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKr6gn0_zCUiVy_A--3N5xrrka5-wR4Lx4qy2Xgcu1h+6smXTA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3c7cb03bb23814934ba4ce5735e28b85@bl.org>

The infection vector feels to me to be X10->X11 -> Xorg.

When X became the ubiquitous desktop system in UNIX, it was bringing
with it the MIT key bindings for editing text inside panes in X
applications (clients). This was by default the Emacs bindings.

The default (pre Bash) shell on BSD, and hence Solaris, was BSD
derived csh. Thus tcsh which had by default emacs bindings. Ksh
required more licence hoops, in some cases you had to buy it. I . am
unsure if its default was vi mode, but the net impact was: if you ran
any desktop system on the main arc of purchase in a university or near
relationship, you ran Dec Ultrix (X11) or OSF/1 (X11) or SunOS (X11,
after their initial foray into their own) or Unisys/Motorola terminals
on a cray (X10/X11) or Humingbird X client on a WIndows PC (X11) or a
tectronix X terminal (X11) or an NCD x terminal (X11)

We got to default edit in the Mosaic for the URL browser bar, by way
of X11 clients: look at that ma: it inherited the MIT emacs key
bindings.

X was the virus. Emacs key bindings went viral.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 8:19 AM Michael Parson <mparson@bl.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 2018-11-18 22:15, Dave Horsfall wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018, Chet Ramey wrote:
> >
> >> It's not clear how widespread this is, but on my Mac OS X system,
> >> emacs key bindings are pervasive. TextEdit, text controls in apps and
> >> browsers, pretty much everything understands the basic emacs
> >> keybinding.
> >
> > As a Mac user I never noticed that, but I'll admit to using EMACS key
> > bindings in the various shells, despite being a VI user...  A bit like
> > using CSH at the terminal, but never for scripting :-)
>
> I first learned about shell shortcuts from an emacs user, and I briefly
> considered picking up emacs... Then I found out I could enable vi
> keybinding in my shell and squashed that impulse. :)
>
> The only emacs keybindings I still use in the shell are ^R for searching
> my history, ^W for deleting words, and occasional use of ^K for killing
> text to EOL.  Other than ^R, I swap between the vi and emacs bindings
> for those others, just depending on where my cursor is on the line.
>
> --
> Michael Parson
> Pflugerville, TX
> KF5LGQ

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-20  0:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-17 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-19  3:02 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  4:15   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-19 22:18     ` Michael Parson
2018-11-20  0:55       ` George Michaelson [this message]
2018-11-19  4:43   ` Kurt H Maier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-12-02  3:24 Norman Wilson
2018-12-01 23:09 Norman Wilson
2018-12-02  2:37 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02  2:44   ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-02  2:59     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02 22:30 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:05   ` Warner Losh
2018-12-04  7:48     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:14   ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-03  1:30     ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-04 21:34         ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 22:11           ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-05  6:50           ` Pierre DAVID
2018-12-28  6:32           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  6:53   ` arnold
2018-12-01 20:52 Norman Wilson
2018-12-01 21:34 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 19:29 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-16 20:46 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16  1:43 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  3:18 ` Rob Pike
2018-11-16  3:38   ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2018-11-16  3:50     ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 13:29       ` Mike Markowski
2018-11-16 13:44         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 14:02         ` Harald Arnesen
2018-11-16  6:38   ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 13:42     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 19:05 ` Nemo
2018-11-16  0:03 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  4:50 ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16  5:32   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16  6:03     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 15:33       ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 15:37         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-16 15:48           ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 18:47           ` Tom Manos
2018-11-17  3:29         ` Andy Kosela
2018-11-16 16:55       ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 17:13         ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 17:31           ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 20:45             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:33           ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 17:36             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:39           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-16 18:57             ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 17:29         ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 20:52           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:55             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:56             ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:05               ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:09                 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-19  2:53                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  5:59                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:00                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:13               ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-16 22:24                 ` Clem Cole
2018-11-17  7:50                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19  2:58                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  3:11                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19  3:21                     ` George Michaelson
2018-11-19  3:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-19  6:13                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:06                       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19 15:35                     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 15:41                       ` David
2018-11-19 17:06                         ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19 17:39                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-19 18:40                         ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 22:08                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-20  6:52                           ` arnold
2018-11-20  7:10                             ` Otto Moerbeek
2018-11-28  0:09                       ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  0:36                         ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-28  0:57                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  1:26                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-29  7:25                         ` arnold
2018-11-29 18:20                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:52                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-03  6:52                             ` arnold
2018-11-19 13:08                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-11-19 13:20                     ` Donald ODona
2018-11-19  7:05                 ` Warner Losh
2018-11-19  7:20                   ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-19 16:48                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-28  0:10                     ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:48                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:13                         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-29 19:28                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:32                           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-29 19:36                             ` Warner Losh
2018-11-29 19:40                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-30 14:55                         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-30 22:58                           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-01 23:24                             ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-12-01 19:53                           ` arnold
2018-12-01 21:26                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-17 14:49               ` Michael Parson
2018-11-17 21:07                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:59             ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:24               ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 21:29                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 21:35                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  2:59                   ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:28               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-16 21:37               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 23:38               ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-11-18  0:31                 ` Donald ODona
2018-11-18  3:00                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  3:09                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-18  5:01                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  5:29                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  0:40                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-16 21:12             ` emanuel stiebler
2018-11-16 18:00         ` Warner Losh
2018-11-16 18:16         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 19:35           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 22:25         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-17  0:25           ` Earl Baugh
2018-11-16 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 18:16       ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:14   ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:21     ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-17 19:42       ` arnold
2018-11-17 20:02       ` Noel Hunt
2018-11-17 20:36       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-19  3:05       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16  5:24 ` Anthony Martin

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