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From: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>
Cc: tuhs@tuhs.org, doug@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: Re: [TUHS] man-page style
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:36:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181117203602.GA32299@thunk.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181117182108.GA15914@wopr>

On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 10:21:08AM -0800, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 11:14:53AM -0700, arnold@skeeve.com wrote:
> >
> > The man page authors / tech writers at Sun were paid to write man
> > pages, and learned / were taught how to do it well. The Linux stuff is
> > done by volunteers.  You're comparing apples and oranges.
>         
> How do we kill this meme?  Linux is open to contribution by volunteers
> but the overwhelming majority of the work done on the OS for *at least*
> the last ten years has been by professionals who are paid to work on
> Linux.

This is true.  Alas, very few of these professionals are technical
writers.  The business model and incentives are different, furthermore
resources such as StackExchange don't exist tend to disincentivize
companies from investing in tech writers --- with notable exceptions
being documentation specific to Red Hat, SuSE, etc.

With commercial products that have competition, prospective customers
can say, "SunOS documentation isn't sufficiently thorough!  I'm
switching to VMS so I can have that wall of three ring binders" :-)

Without that competition, companies are less incentivized to divert
resources to luxuries like documentation --- and the commoditization
of Unix-like systems has reduced the available resources that
companies have available when they are trying to make budgeting
decisions.

(Although I will say, speaking of budgeting decisions, the amount of
human resources I've sent consumed in IBM Fall Plan and Spring Re-Plan
would, if converted from managers and senior engineers to tech
writers, be enough for a truly awesome amount of documentation.  My
condolences to my friends at Red Hat who will soon be getting to
enjoy the wonders of IBM corporate processes.  :-)

	      	     	       	       - Ted

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-17 20:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-16  0:03 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  4:50 ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16  5:32   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16  6:03     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 15:33       ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 15:37         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-16 15:48           ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 18:47           ` Tom Manos
2018-11-17  3:29         ` Andy Kosela
2018-11-16 16:55       ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 17:13         ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 17:31           ` Paul Winalski
2018-11-16 20:45             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:33           ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 17:36             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 17:39           ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-16 18:57             ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 17:29         ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 20:52           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:55             ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 20:56             ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:05               ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:09                 ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-19  2:53                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  5:59                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:00                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:13               ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-16 22:24                 ` Clem Cole
2018-11-17  7:50                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19  2:58                 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  3:11                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19  3:21                     ` George Michaelson
2018-11-19  3:32                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-19  6:13                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-19 14:06                       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19 15:35                     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 15:41                       ` David
2018-11-19 17:06                         ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-19 17:39                       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-19 18:40                         ` Clem Cole
2018-11-19 22:08                           ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-20  6:52                           ` arnold
2018-11-20  7:10                             ` Otto Moerbeek
2018-11-28  0:09                       ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  0:36                         ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-28  0:57                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-28  1:26                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2018-11-29  7:25                         ` arnold
2018-11-29 18:20                           ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:52                             ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-03  6:52                             ` arnold
2018-11-19 13:08                   ` Steffen Nurpmeso
2018-11-19 13:20                     ` Donald ODona
2018-11-19  7:05                 ` Warner Losh
2018-11-19  7:20                   ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-19 16:48                   ` Jon Steinhart
2018-11-28  0:10                     ` Eric Allman
2018-11-29 18:48                       ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:13                         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-29 19:28                           ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-29 19:32                           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-29 19:36                             ` Warner Losh
2018-11-29 19:40                               ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-30 14:55                         ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-11-30 15:05                           ` [TUHS] Upas rewrite little language William Cheswick
2018-11-30 22:58                           ` [TUHS] man-page style Dave Horsfall
2018-12-01 23:24                             ` WIlliam Cheswick
2018-12-01 19:53                           ` arnold
2018-12-01 21:26                             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02  7:22                               ` [TUHS] Ease (was Re: man-page style) arnold
2018-12-02  7:32                                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02 17:22                                   ` arnold
2018-11-17 14:49               ` [TUHS] man-page style Michael Parson
2018-11-17 21:07                 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-16 20:59             ` Jim Capp
2018-11-16 21:24               ` Toby Thain
2018-11-16 21:29                 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 21:35                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  2:59                   ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 21:28               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-16 21:37               ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 23:38               ` Ralph Corderoy
2018-11-18  0:31                 ` Donald ODona
2018-11-18  3:00                   ` Toby Thain
2018-11-19  3:09                     ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-18  5:01                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  5:29                     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2018-11-18  0:40                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-11-16 21:12             ` emanuel stiebler
2018-11-16 18:00         ` Warner Losh
2018-11-16 18:16         ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 19:35           ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16 20:50             ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-16 22:25         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-17  0:25           ` Earl Baugh
2018-11-16 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-17 18:16       ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:14   ` arnold
2018-11-17 18:21     ` Kurt H Maier
2018-11-17 19:42       ` arnold
2018-11-17 20:02       ` Noel Hunt
2018-11-17 20:36       ` Theodore Y. Ts'o [this message]
2018-11-19  3:05       ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-16  5:24 ` Anthony Martin
2018-11-16  1:43 Doug McIlroy
2018-11-16  3:18 ` Rob Pike
2018-11-16  3:38   ` Ken Thompson via TUHS
2018-11-16  3:50     ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 13:29       ` Mike Markowski
2018-11-16 13:44         ` Bakul Shah
2018-11-16 14:02         ` Harald Arnesen
2018-11-16  6:38   ` Larry McVoy
2018-11-16 13:42     ` Clem Cole
2018-11-16 19:05 ` Nemo
2018-11-16 19:29 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-16 20:46 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-11-17 15:39 Noel Chiappa
2018-11-19  3:02 ` Chet Ramey
2018-11-19  4:15   ` Dave Horsfall
2018-11-19 22:18     ` Michael Parson
2018-11-20  0:55       ` George Michaelson
2018-11-19  4:43   ` Kurt H Maier
2018-12-01 20:52 Norman Wilson
2018-12-01 21:34 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-01 23:09 Norman Wilson
2018-12-02  2:37 ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02  2:44   ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-02  2:59     ` Grant Taylor via TUHS
2018-12-02 22:30 ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:05   ` Warner Losh
2018-12-04  7:48     ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  1:14   ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-03  1:30     ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 21:26       ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-04 21:34         ` Larry McVoy
2018-12-04 22:11           ` Bakul Shah
2018-12-05  6:50           ` Pierre DAVID
2018-12-28  6:32           ` Dave Horsfall
2018-12-03  6:53   ` arnold
2018-12-02  3:24 Norman Wilson

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