From: arnold@skeeve.com
To: cowan@ccil.org, clemc@ccc.com
Cc: tuhs@minnie.tuhs.org
Subject: [TUHS] Whither Usenix [was How To Kill A Technical Conference]
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 01:48:07 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <202104050748.1357m710026933@freefriends.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD2gp_TGmOnxehqB3CB5tEyfinfsv1+TvbvRDFmN1HmxGj6JKQ@mail.gmail.com>
This hits home with me very hard. I have been a Usenix member since the
around 1984. Almost 40 years. I am finally letting my membership drop,
now that ";login:" is going soft-copy.
But for several years now I have been increasingly dissatisfied with the
research nature of most of the articles. Very few of them are actually
useful (or even interesting) to me in a day-to-day sense.
And this saddens me; I used to be proud to be a Usenix member; I no
longer feel like I get any added value. Especially as I live out of the
US, attending conferences is impossible. (The last annual conference I
went to was in 2004.)
Ah well. The only constant in the world is change.
Arnold
John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 2:23 PM Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com> wrote:
>
> > An issue during the time you are discussing, USENIX had evolved into "two
> > foci" between the practitioners (which included both FOSS community and
> > LISA types) and the more academic-oriented folks looking for respected
> > places to publish papers/develop their tenure files.
> >
>
> I think this is a long and accelerating trend, and not just at
> conferences. There simply are no venues for "engineering" papers or
> presentations any more, which doesn't bother me directly, but bothers me
> very much indirectly, because I love engineering papers and have to read
> academic papers, ummm, very selectively. (In particular, anything labeled
> "formal semantics" just gets skipped.)
>
> John Cowan http://vrici.lojban.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org
> And it was said that ever after, if any man looked in that Stone,
> unless he had a great strength of will to turn it to other purpose,
> he saw only two aged hands withering in flame. --"The Pyre of Denethor"
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2021-04-01 15:12 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-01 15:27 ` Josh Good
2021-04-01 15:33 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-01 16:14 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-01 16:26 ` John Cowan
2021-04-01 17:54 ` Thomas Paulsen
2021-04-01 16:27 ` Nemo Nusquam
2021-04-02 2:16 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02 3:52 ` Wesley Parish
2021-04-02 5:26 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-02 16:03 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 16:11 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 16:39 ` Heinz Lycklama
2021-04-02 17:14 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-02 17:17 ` [TUHS] AIX repeat [was " Charles H Sauer
2021-04-03 1:24 ` [TUHS] " Wesley Parish
2021-04-04 2:46 ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04 2:50 ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-04 5:29 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) G. Branden Robinson
2021-04-04 18:22 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 20:54 ` Richard Salz
2021-04-04 21:11 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 0:36 ` John Cowan
2021-04-05 2:19 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-05 18:07 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference John Gilmore
2021-04-05 19:30 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 20:34 ` Richard Salz
2021-04-05 20:42 ` William Cheswick
2021-04-06 4:37 ` Ed Bradford
2021-04-05 20:39 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-05 21:11 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 21:17 ` Dan Cross
2021-04-06 15:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-06 5:49 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-05 7:48 ` arnold [this message]
2021-04-05 14:05 ` [TUHS] How to Kill a Technical Conference (was: Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM) Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-05 22:26 ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 23:30 ` A. P. Garcia
2021-04-04 3:41 ` [TUHS] Zombified SCO comes back from the dead, brings trial back to life against IBM Gregg Levine
2021-04-04 3:57 ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02 5:41 ` David Arnold
2021-04-02 6:09 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 7:00 ` arnold
2021-04-02 9:53 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 10:26 ` arnold
2021-04-02 14:02 ` Josh Good
2021-04-02 14:17 ` Steve Nickolas
2021-04-02 15:16 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-02 15:28 ` Fabio Scotoni
2021-04-03 1:50 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-03 1:55 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-03 2:23 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-03 2:34 ` Earl Baugh
2021-04-03 6:16 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-04 16:18 ` Tony Finch
2021-04-04 1:48 ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 2:23 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-04 8:55 ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 14:43 ` Michael Parson
2021-04-04 15:36 ` Warner Losh
2021-04-04 16:15 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 22:25 ` David Arnold
2021-04-04 22:55 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 2:30 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:00 ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-04 23:33 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-05 1:34 ` Bakul Shah
2021-04-05 2:58 ` Kenneth Goodwin
2021-04-05 12:35 ` John Cowan
2021-04-05 20:44 ` Kevin Bowling
2021-04-04 23:34 ` Josh Good
2021-04-04 20:08 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 21:00 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:40 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 21:54 ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
2021-04-04 22:02 ` Jon Steinhart
2021-04-04 21:58 ` Clem Cole
2021-04-04 23:48 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-04 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2021-04-07 5:15 ` Dan Stromberg
2021-04-05 13:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-04-07 1:52 ` Adam Thornton
2021-04-02 15:25 ` Josh Good
2021-04-03 3:10 ` John Cowan
2021-04-02 16:40 ` Boyd Lynn Gerber
2021-04-05 16:20 [TUHS] Whither Usenix [was How To Kill A Technical Conference] Norman Wilson
2021-04-05 18:31 ` arnold
2021-04-06 5:54 ` Dave Horsfall
2021-04-06 6:01 ` Warner Losh
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