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From: Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
To: Peter Stephenson <p.w.stephenson@ntlworld.com>
Cc: zsh-workers@zsh.org, Xiao Ling XL Chen <chenxlxl@cn.ibm.com>,
	Kui K Zhang <kzzhang@cn.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: The request of words matter updated
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 05:48:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221004054801.GB27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221004052955.GA27622@tarpaulin.shahaf.local2>

Daniel Shahaf wrote on Tue, Oct 04, 2022 at 05:29:55 +0000:
> > > Once that's established, perhaps someone could arrange for an online vote
> > > at one of the websites that do that?  Given no technical change results
> > > from any of this, opinion is all we've got, and there's evidently no
> > > sign of a consensus.
> > 
> > This appears to be where we're going.  I'll do some research on this, but
> > if anyone has pointers to a good place for an anonymous vote, let me know.
> > 
> 
> I don't think it's time to vote yet; see
> <https://producingoss.com/en/consensus-democracy.html#when-to-vote>.
> 
> As producingoss explains, voting is going to leave half the participants
> unhappy.  Let's instead try and find a solution we can consense on.

I'll get the ball rolling:

- Use whatever terms the documentation of the function we call uses for
  these.  Whoever has an opinion on these terms — support, opposition,
  or anything else — is welcome to take it up with our dependencies'
  maintainers /as an individual/, but zsh /as a project/ will take no
  position on this issue, in order to facilitate collaboration between
  people who disagree on this issue.

  I mentioned this upthread, but (deliberately) not phrased it as
  a proposal at that time.

  To be clear, the proposal isn't to practise a Bystander Effect-esque
  "let someone else be the first to do something" behaviour.  The
  proposal is to name the actual parameters after the formal parameters.
  Disagreements about what to name formal parameters in zsh.git will
  remain this list's buck.  This is similar to the difference between
  a ring of N anonymous processors and a ring of N anonymous processors
  of which one is the leader.

- Let the variable names be chosen by a configure option.  (That means
  generating zpty.c from zpty.c.ac.)  The option's name, its possible
  values, and the behaviour when the option isn't passed will have to be
  decided upon.

Dnaiel


  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-04  5:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-19  6:52 Xiao Ling XL Chen
2022-09-19 18:20 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27  3:15   ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-27  4:22     ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-27  8:44       ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-27 20:54         ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-09-27 21:15           ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-27 21:22             ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 12:42               ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:33             ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-27 21:32           ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-09-28  6:17             ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28  6:30               ` Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-28 12:57                 ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29  8:23                 ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-09-28 12:47             ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29  8:35             ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28  6:14           ` Felipe Contreras
2022-09-28 12:16             ` Clinton Bunch
2022-09-28 13:05               ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-29  8:49                 ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-29  4:08               ` On the "Words Matter" issue (was Re: The request of words matter updated; quotes deleted) Ellenor Bjornsdottir
2022-09-29 10:48                 ` De Zeurkous
2022-09-29 12:11                   ` FU: " zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-30  4:29                 ` Bart Schaefer
2022-09-30  5:14                   ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08  8:41                   ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:12                     ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:12                     ` zeurkous
     [not found]                     ` <63414db7.050a0220.8ee33.4cc4SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 10:48                       ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:06                         ` zeurkous
     [not found]                         ` <63415a7a.500a0220.e6d5.1c01SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2022-10-08 11:20                           ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 11:59                             ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 16:48                     ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 16:54                       ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 17:55                     ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:09                       ` Eric Cook
2022-10-08 18:24                         ` Clinton Bunch
2022-10-08 18:43                           ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:25                         ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 18:11                       ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 19:58                       ` Bart Schaefer
2022-10-08 20:17                         ` zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:52             ` Re: The request of words matter updated zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 12:08           ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-09-28 16:34           ` Peter Stephenson
2022-09-28 16:42             ` zeurkous, zeurkous
2022-10-03 14:25             ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-03 14:43               ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 23:24               ` Eric Cook
2022-10-04  0:45                 ` Wesley
2022-10-04  5:29               ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04  5:48                 ` Daniel Shahaf [this message]
2022-10-04 23:31                   ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 11:14                 ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-08 18:14                 ` Martijn Dekker
2022-10-08 18:34                   ` zeurkous
2022-10-03 15:27             ` Wesley
2022-10-03 15:45               ` zeurkous
2022-10-04  7:05               ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-04  7:28                 ` Daniel Shahaf
2022-10-05  0:00                   ` zeurkous
2022-10-04 23:46                 ` zeurkous
2022-10-05  0:28                   ` FU: " zeurkous
2022-10-08  7:54                 ` Felipe Contreras
2022-10-08 10:06                   ` zeurkous
2022-10-08 10:46                   ` Mikael Magnusson
2022-10-08 10:59                     ` zeurkous
2022-09-29  8:31           ` Axel Beckert
2022-09-28 20:01         ` Eric Cook
2022-09-29  8:05           ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-01  4:40     ` Lawrence Velázquez
2022-10-03 15:24       ` Peter Stephenson
2022-10-05  3:02 Wesley

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